There’s a war coming

October 31, 2011 5:00 pm

Sorry to have come to Hallowe’en clad as the Harbinger of Doom, an oracle of calamity, but there we are. If you look around, it’s hard not to feel that the structures that hold our world in place are crumbling; the fabric of our society is coming apart like bits of rotting zombie flesh.

Unsustainable energy supplies. Environmental pollution. Climate change. Famine. The list could go on but, y’know, it’s Monday.

The seventh billion person has been born today (probably). What kind of place have they arrived in?

Here, of course, the biggest worldwide issue that currently affects us the most is still the economy. To sort this out, we have the undead Cameron, who feeds on people’s forgotten memories of the 1980s, and Count Osborne, who sucks all life out of flailing economic growth. They do this, I’ve heard, due to their ideological stance.

No retreat! No surrender to disappointing quarterly figures! Onwards, to austerity and to freedom!

To be locked in to such a rigid dogmatic path might be something of a hindrance. There’s no wiggle room. If I can be allowed to add anything to the political philosophy debate I’d like it to be that strict economic ideologies show serious weakness in the wiggle room department. In exactly those words. If we are obliged to refer to the Coalition’s economic plan as “ideological cuts” at every instance then my idea of opposing that would be to take a different approach and then, basically, kind of, see if that works. Maybe not in those words, though.

For others, however, the perfect way to counter the “ideological cuts” is to take a different ideology and then ruthlessly stick to it. Fight fire with fire.

This, unfortunately, is where the war I speak of happens. Some see this time of insecurity as the battleground for the greatest ideological warfare of all time. The one to end it all. It’s socialism versus conservatism. The dividing lines are drawn. You’re either with us or against us. There’s no third way. In the red corner, with an apparent 99% of the population, it’s the Progressive Majority! In the blue corner, weighing in with 75% of the wealth, it’s the Vanguard of the Elite! It’s Marx and Hayek, bare-knuckle, behind the bike sheds after school. Ties off, sleeves up, I’ll hold your coat. Winner takes all.

It’s this kind of attitude that worries me. Down this path lies heroic failure. It’s the kind of thinking that led Tony Benn to hail Labour’s performance at the 1983 General Election as a “remarkable development” because so many people voted for proper socialism. 1983. Remarkable indeed.

I know some people look at events here and worldwide and see a radical shift in public attitude towards the left, but I’m afraid I don’t. At any rate, it would be far to early too pin our hopes on the fluttering red flag. I’m sorry, I wish I had your ability to see all your own values reflected in news events that would seem to suggest the opposite, but I don’t.

I’m not calling for a tack to the right, I just want us to remain open-minded. In the world I see, there are lots of problems and most people don’t know how to solve them. In fact, most people probably don’t even have a basic political philosophy that they can apply to every situation. We, the Labour Party, the Left, whatever, should try and reflect this. We have our values, sure, everyone has lines they won’t cross. But we’ll approach problems pragmatically.

In his acceptance of the Democratic nomination for president in 1960, Kennedy said he felt the American people expected more than the usual cries of indignation or attack: “The times are too grave, the challenges too urgent, and the stakes too high to permit the customary passions of political debate.”

It feels like the world is falling apart like bits of rotting zombie flesh. But it’s not impossible to fix.

  • Sausage

    Where do you get off on writing this kind of nonsense? Capitalism shows a moment of weakness and you take the opportunity to take a swipe at those further Left than yourself?

  • GuyM

    “The seventh billion person has been born today (probably). What kind of place have they arrived in?”
     
    The one with the greatest life expectancy, standards of living and opportunity that history has ever seen. Of course not everyone is getting all the above but if you’d like to argue people were better off 200, 100 or even 50 years ago feel free to try
     
    “Climate change”
     
    Jury is still out on that I’m afraid, in terms of scale, scope and impact. I say that being better qualified in environmental science than you as well.
     
    “Environmental pollution”
     
    Always has been for a century or more, but are you suggesting less manufacturing and development and if so, who loses their jobs?
     
    “Unsustainable energy supplies”
     
    Pity Labour did nothing about power station requirements then for so long?
     
    Do you also support green energy developments that will push up the per unit energy costs for everyone in the short to mmid term? If so, don’t complain about fuel poverty.
     
    “Famine”
     
     Best do something about world population explosion then. Perhaps also put a “full” sign up on the UK as well? That might help your own electorate.
     
    “In the red corner, with an apparent 99% of the population, it’s the Progressive Majority!”

    Please don’t group me and everyone else with you, I don’t agree with 99% of what you believe in, so it’s quite insulting to have you think I sympathise with a load of anti-capitalist layabouts at St Pauls.

    The world isn’t perfect but it also isn’t doing too bad, much like the UK.

    20 million plus people were at work today in the UK. Home repossessions aren’t getting out of hand and interest rates are low. Sure things aren’t all sweetness and light, but equally they are nowhere near as bad as your sort of doom merchant makes out.
     
     
     
     
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=582816074 Andrew Tybjerg

    Realistic. Pragmatic. Objective.

    Fine work Conor, shame it won’t get considered thoughtfuly by those who would benefit most from it.

    • http://twitter.com/tommilleruk Tom Miller

      Personally, I’m loving the thoughtfulness of commenting about views that have not yet been expressed.

      This is profoundly insightful, yet pre-empts any criticism with dismissiveness. Magnificent.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=582816074 Andrew Tybjerg

        Would a “probably” have  bestilled your inner troll Tom?

        Sometimes you have to admit you don’t have all the answers. Then you can start looking for them in earnest. Unfortunately Uk politics is filled with people like yourself who think (despite all available evidence) quite the opposite.

        • Anonymous

          Calling Tom a Troll, I suspect he is to you New Labour types, never mind I’n sure New labour will be back running the country in thirty or forty years.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=582816074 Andrew Tybjerg

            If I said you had an inner child, I would not be calling you a child Robert.

            I’m far from New Labour, and I don’t read Conors piece as advocating New Labour either.

        • http://twitter.com/tommilleruk Tom Miller

          I don’t believe I stated that I have all the answers either. Or any of them in fact. That’s two classic straw men in two comments!

          My point is that it’s all very well to have a pop at people for what they have said.

          But having a go at people for something they haven’t said is exactly the kind of anti-evidence lack of thoughtfulness you rightly criticise.

          I don’t think there is anything wrong with highlighting the incongruity of what this implies… it is not meant in a hostile way. It is merely meant to make the point that a starting position of hostility probably doesn’t make much sense. I mean, that can’t be evidence based.

          • http://twitter.com/tommilleruk Tom Miller

            Also, nothing will ever bestill my inner troll.  :-p

  • Anonymous

    As ever, Conor, a totally original approach which makes a great read and provokes thought.

    Perhaps it’s the “fundamentals” which need revisiting; eg what helps economies to grow and society to tick?

    What doesn’t?

    The key word for me in your piece is pragmatism, as opposed to dogmatism.

    There is indeed a feeling of change in the air, but we all seem to be at yet another major crossroads; eg questioning what existing institutions and power structures can actually achieve;
    and how much damage an unfettered and unregulated global market driven capitalism
    can do do people, especially those with the least resources.

    I’d like to see far more input from expertise, such as the J.Rowntree Foundation, influencing policy on workable ideas and solutions for tackling social inequalities.

    Big public debates, including panels of experts from all sides, such as sociologists, psychologists, economists, anthropologists, lawyers, health personnel, education staff, charities and members of the public with specific experience/anecdotal evidence/testimonials to build a bigger picture around specific issues.

    These  could include: welfare reform, improving opportunities for young people; sustainable models of social care for the elderly, and the care system;and a whole debate around the capitalist ethic- which could include members from faith communities and the church, as we see currently playing out!

    What is missing I believe is democratic engagement in policy making and planning decisions,
    for example. Power structures and the old establishment; the powerful media appear top down and excluding the voices and experiences of ordinary people.It’s an externally driven, top down agenda.

    However, with ever greater austerity measures looming which are likely to impact on the poorest communities, there has never been a greater urgency for wider dissemination and reorganization of structures; greater transparency; more direct forms of communication, and wider access for all to participate and have greater control and more choices over their lives. 

    The current set up of political and economic institutions just seems to be inadequate for the tasks ahead; it will require people themselves to be fully on board in the process, not oblivious to.

    Routes to acheive this could be a greater role for eg the Co Op movement, mutualist socities, credit unions, expert charities,community organizations, libraries, museums, educationalists, academics,the trade union movement, NHS, social policy forums, arts bodies, faith groups:
    in fact anything substantial connected to “community” working and bringing people together, working collectively on problems.

    These were just my immediate thoughts, but it’s hard to crystallize compactly.

    The more ideas the better- maybe something coherent and constructive will emerge from
    all that is swirling around at the moment; but it’s definitely time for a major transformation;
    the actions and choices of the past 30 years in particular have come to a head I believe;
    it’s the unsustainability of social models, with not enough attention paid to deepening inequalities which has failed so abysmally.

    The combination of social ethics alongside a balanced economy that incorporates people’s skills and lives not just number crunching is vital for future generations.

    Jo

    • GuyM

      “Input from expertise”?

      And who decides that exactly?

      I doubt the “expertise” you value is one I value and vice versa.

      All you propose is one big round of talking shops, long on wind, short on doing.

      A load of “experts” with no mandate all sitting about debating for a few years with no agreement before reaching a fugded conclusion that no one agrees with and makes no sense.

      That’s why we have a democratic system with a form of mandate, not a load of individuals appointed by the likes of you or me, as all that leads to is nepotism and corruption.

  • @mikeriddell62

    A rather pessimistic outlook and an over-dramatic assessment if I may say so.

    Peace-loving cyber warriors I suspect would be willing able to represent the silent majority and neutralise any serious threat which would only brew over a number of years.

    I don’t see things as negatively as this.

  • Anonymous

    Mark- I wrote a long comment on here just now- but it seems to have disappeared?

    Would be grateful if you could check please ASAP.

    Thanks, Jo.

    • Anonymous

      OK thanks- it’s reappeared, but comments appear rearranged on threads.

      Glad it’s been retrieved, as it took some time and thought.

      Thankyou Mark.

      Jo

  • Anonymous

    I suspect Now Blair is not a leader, he’ll start a war by interfering somewhere, but a report also stated that the worlds population will drop as water,  famine, and the Tories  move us towards Armageddon, or was that a film…..

    • The Grunt

      Blair – Azerbaijan

      • Anonymous

        I suspect if the price is right Blair would be over in north Korea, or with his beloved Robert Mugabe. After all he felt Gaddafi was a hero of his country.

        The bloke has no shame and now he’s a catholic of course a few hail Mary’s and he’s forgiven……

  • Anonymous

    “Please don’t group me and everyone else with you…”

    Unless you’re a card-carrying, flag-waving member of one party or the other, get used to it.

    All sides think that the people in the middle are their silent supporters.

    • GuyM

      Actually I don’t think they do.

      The 99% are so full of morally righteous bull they actually believe everyone agrees with them.

      Give me a banker any day over every one of them.

    • Anonymous

      I like that the people in the middle, well said…

  • The Grunt

    One year from now, the US will be f**ked – Bank of America is going down and the US government will crash with it.

    • jaime taurosangastre candelas

      @ The Grunt.

      Europe may precede the US.  Greece is going to have a referendum on whether to accept the bailout or not.  Initial commentary is that the electorate is going to reject it by a wide margin and simply 100% default and leave the Euro.  I don’t know if that will happen, but if it does then watch out Europe as the financial sector collapses.  It would make 2008 look pleasant.

      • Anonymous

        It’s highly likely, and unless the EU gets it act together I suspect a few others will be looking to leave the Euro.

        But of course it depends on the wording of the referendum as you know it’s the wording which matters.

        • The Grunt

          Greek debt pales into insignificance compared with the encumbrance of BoA.  Perhaps a Greek default is manageable, but it depends on whether the contagion moves on even more to Italy as a consequence.  It’s always possible that the referendum will force the ‘stakeholders’ to accept a larger haircut (80% is what the Greeks may be pursuing).

          • Anonymous

            Who will pay for this especially if Italy and Spain and Portugal and to some degree Ireland want the same.

          • Anonymous

            The debt should be written off so that no one has to pay for it. It was lent into existence in the first place. I’m with The Grunt that the contagion could be spectacular. Humanity needs to rid itself of money and credit since it’s not good for the health and well-being of mankind. It’s pervasive, and ruins governments and business. Money and the state should have been separated along time ago and losing the dollar, and losing money will give local currencies the chance to rebuild economies from the ground up. And they won’t use GDP as a measure of success – they will use ‘contribution’ instead.

          • GuyM

            Everything has a price/cost.

            Write off the debt and shareholders (pension funds and pensioners) will pay.

            Write off the debt and taxpayers will pay through either more support for undercapitalised banks or lost investments.

            Nothing is free.

    • Anonymous

      Hi Dave, I just posted a link which might be of interest?

      http://action.compassonline.org.uk/planb

      There is definitely hope, but it requires radical change in thinking and culture!

      Hope all is well with you….

      Jo

  • http://twitter.com/Newsbot9 Newsbot9

    Better ideological warfare than the alternative, actual warfare

  • http://twitter.com/tommilleruk Tom Miller

    “There’s no third way”

    Well, everything takes you one direction or another. Left. Right. Liberal, authoritarian. Central. Decentralised. There is nothing wrong with wanting one or two of these directions over others.

    Trying to stand in the middle of everything (and a richer than average voting middle, but that’s another debate)… desperately clinging to the idea of not changing any kinds of balances… this just means the world around the politician does the shifting for them.

    No thanks.

    Pick what you believe, take advice on it, think again and go.

    For me? Social Democracy with a few green streaks would be a cracking start.

    Protip: anyone motivated in politics by not changing the look of things too radically is probably being paid too much.

  • http://twitter.com/tommilleruk Tom Miller

    “For others, however, the perfect way to counter the “ideological cuts”
    is to take a different ideology and then ruthlessly stick to it. Fight
    fire with fire.”

    As opposed to… taking the same ideology and… fire with fire?  Err… hmm…

    Hmm. I think I just broke my brain.

  • http://twitter.com/tommilleruk Tom Miller

    Expertise and democracy, so often in tension with one another. But also both complementary, if you want them to be…

    • Anonymous

      Tom, just spotted your comment here.

      When I referred to “expertise” earlier, I was thinking also of depth of experience from people across a wide spectrum of society and working/life backgrounds- participating in public debates, policy forums, working groups/community etc. 

      I saw a good example of this about a year ago, shown on C4; it was a wide debate on the future of the economy, comprising “experts” such as lawyers, economists, MP’s, health professionals, educationalists, and a lively and experienced public audience. A bit like a wider and broader version of Question Time.

      What was striking and inspiring was the interaction between audience and panel- very productive and bringing out all kinds of ideas; a sharing of experience.A community approach, rather than hierarchy of opinion I suppose.

      What I’m trying to get at is that I think it’s time for more active public participation and engagement in all areas of life and policy making.

      Hope that makes some sense.

      Cheers, Jo

  • Anonymous

    Pragmatism is what got us into this mess, people with no Ideas are the problem not the solution.
    Unless you have an analysis and a vision you end up reacting to events rather than leading them.

    No more Blair pragmatism, give me ideas even if I disagree with them.

    Conor, you are the End of History Man, but as we have seen in the last three years, it’s not the End of History.

  • Anonymous

    A moment of weakness is a spectacular understatement. However there can be no doubt that capitalism has royally ballsed up. My own view is that a new cooperative movement is about to enter the mainstream that will occupy the politcal and economic centreground. It will be a form of social capitalism that uses the best of both systems and discards the worst.

    And i don’t think ‘money’ as a store of value, has peaked. New digital currencies are just around the corner.

  • Anonymous

    I think it’s a fascinating dynamic playing out at the moment between church, state, the financial establishment, and the protestors; also the photographic footage of protestors dressed as bankers and city slickers alongside senior clergy appears amazingly theatrical; it could almost be a set out out of Brecht.

    I also heard the end of a report from local radio describing some of the scenes from the London protests; apparently the Mayor of London was shouting something like “in the name of Mamon please get out of here!?”

    I’d say the protestors have been incredibly successful in flagging up the issues, but events have taken new turns almost daily.

    I hope someone on LL writes about this- it must be unprecedented!

    Jo

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