PMQs Verdict – Scratching The Paintwork

November 23, 2011 1:11 pm

Flat and predictable. There you go – that’s today’s PMQs in three words. No need to say more really..is there? Oh well…if I must…

Today’s PMQs had been sketched out clearly in advance. The battle lines were drawn – uninspired, sure, but drawn – as MPs loudly took to their seats. Cameron would attack the unions, Miliband would go on unemployment. Once you accepted that was the likely shape of things all that remained was the necessity for each person to play their part, and grade how well they performed. This was less a jousting contest and more a spelling bee – get your lines right, don’t say
anything stupid, sit down.

As MPs shuffled and chatted in the chamber Welsh Secretary Cheryl Gillian delivered what might be her last set of responses from the dispatch box. Nobody noticed, which may well be the ministerial epitaph of poor Cheryl Gillian.

The Prime Minister arose to the first spectacular planted question from the Tory benches. There were three or four of them – all variations on “Why are these unions so unreasonable and evil?”. They gave Cameron an opportunity to do what he failed to achieve during Ed Miliband’s questions – bash the unions, and tie Labour to the strikes. Personally I see no shame in being tied to the actions of millions of ordinary workers, trampled underfoot by a government making them pay for a crisis caused by others. I hope Ed Miliband feels the same way, although his continued silence on the matter makes me doubt that.

His performance today – presumably not aided by an obvious cold that rendered him more nasal than ever before – was flat. A successful performance at PMQs involves winning over two audiences – the one watching live and the one who will only see the sound bites. Come 6pm tonight Ed Miliband’s repetitive lines may well gain some traction with a public worried about their economic future, but for those of us watching live it was unconvincing. Not poor, just poor considering the wealth of rocks available to chuck at the government. Those rocks should have been denting the credibility of this government – Miliband might consider himself lucky to have scratched the paintwork today.

Partially that’s because of the party’s conflicted relationship with our record in government. Cameron will miss no opportunity to attack our thirteen years in government, but we seem split between defence and mea culpa, with little clarity over what we feel we did wrong, and what we feel was justified at the time. Until that internal (and often unspoken) conflict is resolved, we’re going to have more predictable PMQs – and not in a good way either.

  • Ianrobo

    well we all know the problem, in govt we followed the neo-liberalist capital agenda. We did nothing different (in general terms, leaving aside min wage etc.) the Tories would have done and thus they can endlessly cry all ‘our fault’ . Both the Ed’s know this and until we have a new plan that moves away from this and offeres a geninue difference this is so difficult.

    The problem is of course is that the situation is so fluid, so new, so unique and new plan could be pushed aside by a single bank collapse or a country default, in other words in opposition we have no power in influence. 

    As to the unions it is an easy case to make if the Tories repond in the pay of them, just point out how much David Rowland gave the Tories. Or how much they recieve from just the financial sector. Ed at the next PMQ’s will have to say something surely and that will be the key one given it is the day of the strikes.

  • Anonymous

    But of course Cameron is not doing anything Blair did not do, and do a dam sight better then Cameron or Miliband. Blair placed the blame in 1996 at the door of the Tories and he did so well he won a land slide victory.

    Cameron is loud shouts a lot and accuses Labour of leaving a financial mess, Miliband strikes back with people and unemployment, and both of them looking like school kids.

    Do the people of this country blame labour for the financial mess I suspect they do, but the Tories are coming up on a second year in power how long can Cameron keep blaming labour, well Blair did it until he left power.

    It was poor it was sad and it’s not helping this country and I suspect the next election will see another hung government with people not voting because basically theirs nothing to vote for.

    I can imagine Cameron walking out with Miliband saying well that went well, was it good for you to.

    • Ianrobo

      as I said until we come up with a real alternative we will be stuck. HAs capitalism won so much it is now unchallengable ?

      Are we really saying untaxed and unfeted marleting of deriatives and securitisation is how we should run an economy ?

      • Anonymous

        PMQ’s is a waste of  time it now hampers labour because to be honest Miliband is not good enough, Cameron wins because he blusters shouts and he is winning the battle where as labour should have been to use the bluster to destroy him but  they cannot.

      • Anonymous

        Are we really saying untaxed and unfeted marleting of deriatives and securitisation is how we should run an economy ?

        It’s taxed if it makes a profit for a UK taxpayer…

        And of course not. We are actually at very good at what we do manufacture.. the problem is the volume iof what we do – which is not enough.. But as the education system is geared to not producing engineers or physicists or mathematicians… we actually don’t have the skilled resources..

        (not a political point.. see the fact that most  (80%) new jobs employ skilled immigrants)

        • Anonymous

          We have the engineers, we have the people who would like to be engineers we do not have the engineering. Look at brown he stated he had to offer the Germans and the Dutch the contract to build off shore wind turbines because we did not have the people the British people experienced enough, he lied of course the contracts had to be offered to the EU the Germans and the Dutch won these contracts, which made a mockery of Brown words British Job for British people, and because no British firm  had the contract we lost another major engineering plant.

        • Ianrobo

          do they, where are the actual stats for that and how are these ‘skilled jobs’ defined ?

          Also if immigrants are from the EU nothing we can do to stop it. One reason is that they are cheaper and hence why Tory supporters who run companies love the EU.

  • Anonymous

    but we seem split between defence and mea culpa, with little clarity over what we feel we did wrong, and what we feel was justified at the time. Until that internal (and often unspoken) conflict is resolved

    As long as one of the main architects of failure – Ed Balls – is present as  a Shadow Minister – that conflict will continue..  For reasons which are obvious to anyone but the politically inept. 

    It’s so obvious I wonder why the artcile does not say so?  Oh yes… it”s because they like his policies..

    It’s rather like a Labour Opposition run by Neil Kinnock.. No voter with any sense would have him as PM..

    No voter with any sense would have Ed Balls as COE.

    As for the Unions, it look like a re-run of the early 1980s.. and Ed can see that. Even Kinnock would not support the NUM for obvious reasons and the Civil Service Trade Unions are doing their best to persuade the public that job cuts should happen…

  • http://twitter.com/kulgancrydee Kulgan of Crydee

    Yes people blame Labour for most of the economic woes we are suffering at the moment. It is a shame that Ed M consistently fails to be effective.  He asks questions he already knows the answer to.  PMQs is his chance to hold the government to account on our behalf and he is failing.  I am an ardent believe in having an effective opposition is essential in an effective democracy.

    Ed M’s ‘Out of Touch’ soundbite doesn’t sound as good when spoken than it does on a page. I knew he was going to say it and wasn’t disappointed.  Trying to suggest that as a very rich PM, he & his cabinet is out of touch does smack of hypocrisy considering Ed M’s own financial situation.

    Come on Ed M. Produce some effective policies instead of condemning (no pun intended) government policies without having anything any substantive policies of your own. Give the public an option.

  • Anonymous

    I heard a short clip on R4 from DC, and it ran something like: 
     
    “…all these credible agencies say we should stick to our course….
    who should we listen to; them- or Labour- who got us into this mess in the first place….”

    (Said with rather a sneering edge and great gusto.)

    So has everything boiled down to these simplistic phrases?

    Doesn’t the public deserve a more naunced and honest explanation?

    As for comments about public service workers- utterly predicatable,
    and intended to be divisive and blaming.

    How about the mess they are creating, and who is paying the highest price for that?

    A rather low key discussion between a female Tory MP and R.Reeves followed;
    which I thought far more of value than  selected bits of bluster and jeering from PMQ’s.

    Rachel R restated simply (I think,) that financial plans were on course prior to the global crash,
    and fully supported by the Tories and LD’s at the time.

    So no talk of a great “mess” then from opposition?

    Also- we are in deep deficit following this crash and all would be having to deal with the consequences. I remember GB explaining clearly it would take a long time to pay off
    the amount needed to borrow to offest the worst effects of the huge crisis.
    Other governments are in this position.

    But for some reason, extreme austerity drives and retreating backwards is the favoured response, instead of finding ways to stimulate growth and protect services and people’s jobs?

    If government ministers were more honest and less selective with the figures,
    they would gain a lot more trust and respect from the public.

    In fact, they too need to show more respect for the workers and ordinary people in this country who will be paying disproportionately for the mistakes of others.

    This does need to be a collective reponsibility, not a blame game. 

    I thought your analysis distilled the process well Mark; it’s a bit like groundhog day!

    Although personally, when I’ve heard Ed M via clips,
    I think he’s coming through more clearly and directly now.

    Jo

    • Ianrobo

      “that financial plans were on course prior to the global crash,
      and fully supported by the Tories and LD’s at the time.”

      This is the message that has not got across because you know what Jo economically there was little difference between us. Tories were crying then for less regulation not more, a slight difference who is the gatekeeper.

      It seems that to say that would then totally discredit our years in power, so be it, we followed a doctrine that bust the world, why on earth carry on trying to prop it up then ?

      This doctrine led to obscene director salaries, massiv risk taking and outsourcing of our jobs all over the place.

      Was it really that good when the result are living standards at least 4 years worse now and never have I been so tight on money.

      • Anonymous

        Wise words Ian.

        Maybe one of the major factors was in not regulating the big financial institutions enough? GB did some great stuff as chancellor, but didn’t clamp down enough on the excesses and culture of casino style banking etc?

        New Lab were far too relaxed about this kind of behaviour; but maybe no one could see what it would lead to globally?

        I’m very much in favour of stronger regulation and measures like the Tobin tax; also strong action on pay inequalities.

        The opposition would claim this would destory business prospects etc,
        but look where we have ended up following their credo?

        It’s too much power and influence in the wrong hands and in the wrong way.

        Wealth needs to be redistributed more fairly, and greater acess and opportunities for small businesses and community enterprises.

        I posted this yesterday Ian, flagged up by Compass:

        http://www.highpaycommission.co.uk

        Got to go shortly, but hope all is well with you.

        PS If ever you are in touch with Peter B and Peter J,
        please ask them if they will post a bit more on LL if possible?
        We need more Labour minded people!

        All best, Jo

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