A more democratic Union

January 12, 2012 4:21 pm

Scotland, and its potential independence, is currently a big political issue. The self-interested bickering of David Cameron and Alex Salmond has opened up a space for Labour to step-forward not just as defenders of the union but partisans of a new democratic settlement which could change the United Kingdom forever.

It was the promise of constitutional radicalism made by Labour in 1997 that contributed to the zesty freshness of feel about the incoming Labour government, which in-turn led to the landslide. However, the creation of Holyrood and the Welsh Assembly has only partially answered the questions posed by the national grievances that are in evidence, especially north of the border.

So many democratic deficits exist within the patchwork quilt of the arrangement of the UK state that it is hard to know where to start. However, since we are addressing this question we should perhaps start here.

It is clear that each nation within the union needs more autonomy but it is equally as clear, as Ed Miliband stated, that we are stronger together. I fail to see how independence will do anything but seriously damage Scotland in every way – a yes vote would therefore be a brilliant example of cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Since the genuine desire for more autonomy and a greater input into our collective governance can’t be answered by maintaining the status quo we should examine other options. A good place to start would be with the House of Lords whose very existence in its current form is a mockery of democracy.

Potential exists to turn this into a fully-elected ‘Parliament of the nations’ with each nation state electing an equitable portion of its members. Other options exist including the granting of more powers to Holyrood and the Assembly – however, you get the feeling these measures are unlikely to scratch the nationalist itch. Also, it leaves England rather unrepresented except in the form of the Westminster government.

Both routes could be taken in tandem and taken together would bring federalism a step closer. Federalism is the ideal formation of the UK state, consisting as it does of distinctive component parts, as it both preserves unity but also recognises the right of democratic autonomy for its constituent parts.

While I support the union, I feel it would be wrong to fall into line behind David Cameron & Co. They want to preserve unchanged a state of affairs that is democratically deficient. We should be the party that offers the people of the UK a new union, one that will be stronger bound together in democratic ties. Once again, Labour needs to be bold and radical in its thinking and approach – if it isn’t then the price will be the hegemony of the Conservatives and that will drive Scotland away and into the cul de sac of the SNP’s nationalism.

  • http://twitter.com/tugsandtost matthew bond

    HoL reform and independence for Scotland are two sides of same coin.  They are process driven responses to real and imagined problems.  They will not make UK more democratic. Instead they will open the gates to exclusionary demagogues and rent seeking party entrepreneurs.  Status quo is flawed (hereditaries in HoL should be kicked out) but nationally unified unicameral system offers socialists so many opportunities.  Danger of reform is it entrenches liberal veto.

    • Anonymous

      Labours worried they would lose all those  voters, pity they did not worry before then.

      keep Scotland so labour can stay in power in England

      • http://twitter.com/Newsbot9 Newsbot9

        Oh yes, gotta have your One True Party state don’t you.

        Sigh.

      • John Ruddy

        I know facts dont often bother you, Robert, but the outcome of only 1 election since the war would have been different if Scottish MPs had not been counted.

        Scottish indepence wont mean tory rule forever.

        • M Cannon

          Are you sure?  I make it at least 3.
           
          October 1964 : There were 630 seats.  If you deduct the 72 Scottish seats you get 558.  That means you need 279 for a majority (one seat is the speaker).
          The Tories (plus Tory/National Liberals) got a total of 261 English seats plus 6 in Wales, a total of 267.
          Labour got 245 English seats and 28 in Wales, a total of 273.
          The Tories could probably have counted on the support of the 12 Ulster Unionist MPs  getting them up to 279.

          February 1974: There were635 seats.  If you deduct the 71 Scottish seats you get 564.  To get a majority you therefore need 282 seats.  The Tories got 267 English seats and 8 in Wales, giving them 275, 7 short of a majority.  Labour got 237 English seats and 24 in Wales, giving them a total of 261.  The Tories would have been the largest party and the Ulster Unionists would have held the balance of power with 9 seats.

          May 2010: There were 650 seats.  If you deduct the 59 Scottish seats, you get 591, so taht you need 296 seats for a majority.  The Tories won 307 seats, of which only 1 was in Scotland, so they would have 306 English and Welsh seats and a majority of 20.

  • Anniesec

    I would go a stage further and think about a House of Lords that is elected to represent the regions of Britain as well as the nations. By regionalising the scrutiny of legislation we can make a start in bringing politics back to the people. The special interests of Lords members can be enhanced by including specific nominations from non-political bodies alongside those representing party interests.
    Fresh ideas need a new look at all aspects of our democracy. HOL might be doing a great job just now, as revealed today most qualify for free bus passes and can afford not to have them.
    A

  • http://twitter.com/_DaveTalbot David Talbot

    What an odd article.

    The “zesty freshness” of  ”constitutional radicalism” led to the ’97 landslide. House of Lords reform is linked to Scottish nationalism. And whilst Labour should defend the union, it shouldn’t be undemocratic, and it shouldn’t be done with David Cameron too. Urm, okay.

  • GuyM

    Happy with either Scottish independence or a federal UK…. so long as only English MPs vote on English matters.

    It will more often than not kill any chance of being under a Labour government in England.

    • http://twitter.com/Newsbot9 Newsbot9

      Of course, English MP’s to vote on England and everything else. As usual.

      And of course you want your One True Party State. Typical of fanatics and zealots.

  • Franwhi

    Yes you are right that we in Scotland need more powers – yet neither Lib dem, tory (surprise?) or Labour (shock) will stand up for the devolution plus proposal to be inserted into the referendum. It’s absolutely shocking on the part of the Lib dems and Labour not to stand on this platform when they already advocate it themselves – more to do with politicking and sticking it to Alex Salmond than any desire to do what is democratically and morally right vis a viz the Scottish people.   

    • derek

      Franwhi, With the Calman report in shreds, unemployment rising and a flatlining economy, how will the unionist convince Scotland that Scotland’s future is better within the union?If the parliament becomes a static event, then what’s it’s point?      

  • Redshift

    Again, another commentator brushes over the north-south divide…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=599376817 Richard Tamerighi

    Is it not a little too late to be saying we should be making ‘a more democratic union’ when the union is potentially on the point of parting? it certainly exposes the very obvious lie that Westminster is only interested in the Union companion nations when there is a threat of them wanting to leave.
    Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland have always been treated by Westminster as the lesser members of the partnership with England.NI has been a special case for funding because of the long running troubles there but is still held by Westminster as inferior to England.
     There is good reason for those nations be allowed to determine there own affairs both social and fiscal whilst remaining in the Union but they have to put up with Westminster interference and its ‘one size fits all’ governing style and policy and its insistence that the priority of funding go to London and the South East.
    There is a palpable divide in England alone over priority of funding leave alone that allocated to Scotland Wales and NI and that has persisted for decades and regardless of which party is in power.
    Labour may have traditionally been better at considering them but both Tory and Labour have been guilty of a blatant disregard of Scotland and Wales and little wonder there has been a growth in the Nationalist movements.
    Had they both have considered the electorate of both of those nations on equal terms to England and addressed their brooding resentments and needs then maybe we would not now be in this position of Scotland wanting the freedom to manage its own affairs.
    The media in its own inimitable way has managed to exploit old traditional prejudice and make a case that Scots and Welsh have never had it so good for the amount of funding that goes their way but the sad fact is what funding does go there is more to hush up dissenters to Westminster policy than a genuine wish to treat and fund either on equal terms to England.The same cynical funding applies in England and why we have the North South divide and why there is considerable political resentment to Westminster .   
    Personally I do not think the Scots do want a complete break, just a fairer share of the resources  and greater say in how their government uses them and to manage its own day to day affairs how Scots would wish.
    The growth in nationalism is just evidence that their complaints and concerns are repeatedly ignored and a last ditch measure to redress  a long festering imbalance.
    A split may be  catastrophic to Scotland or its saviour who knows the real truth, but is a situation that was entirely preventable.
    I do not ever believe it too late to do something, to prevent the break of the Union by making it more democratic,it should have been addressed decades ago,but the danger is Westminster will go back to its usual ways once the threat of a split recedes, so Westminster (of all political parties) has an opportunity to do something to admit its mistakes and redress the balance build a stronger Union with Scotland or to reap the benefit of its blase attitude to Scotland and its ignorance of its people.
    The Conservatives have learned to their cost of ignoring Scottish voters in the loss of MPs.
    If both main  parties continue on their old paths then the end to the Union will be inevitable.
    It makes no odds at all what system you use to govern a nation or hold together a group of them or how you reform its Governmental machinery if you simply continue- for political or  financial expedience- to ignore those partners to the agreement of unity, who are supposed to be equal to you.
    It would be a real shame that a 300 year Union came to an end but no one is more to blame for that than Westminster itself and its own political folly.

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