I support Scotland as part of UK, says Miliband

30th January, 2012 4:06 pm

  • Anonymous

    I might be more willing to take lectures about “progressive” policies from someone who doesn’t live in a £1.6m house. Just another SE toff trying to tell us what to do. It’s over, deal with it.

    • Anonymous

      The question is can Labour rebuild in Scotland with the ideals put forward by an English Labour leader. After all a lot of people in Scotland are either working for the public services, working in low paid service  jobs or are on welfare due to long term disabilities due to hard bloody work.

      Does labour really meet the requirements of the people  well the last lot obviously did not.

    • John Ruddy

      And I might be prepared to take lectures about progressive policies from someone who has some – unlike the SNP.

      • Anonymous

        Well John, the people of Scotland would seem to disagree with that.

        However let’s leave the “I’ve got a bigger progressive tadger than you” stuff aside for a moment if we may. What the SNP are offering is a way for the left in Scotland to get into a position to actually implement these progressive policies. I don’t doubt for one nano-second that your Marxism or whatever is intellectually and ideologically purer than mine. However I have a realistic chance of implementing the progressive policies we’d all like to see. 
        Your slavish attachment to the UK state means you have none, zilch, zero, not any, bugger aw chance. Did Ed M not promise deeper cuts than the Tories? Could you tell one of Ed’s recent policies apart from Cameron,s if you didn’t look at the label?
        We tried waiting for the left in the UK generally to get its act together and they have failed miserably. Some fine sounding resolutions at conferences once upon a time but now you are chasing Mr and Mrs Middleclass in Kidderminster, whose priorities are a lot different from this docker in Liverpool we keep hearing about, let alone the shipyard worker on the Clyde. And btw if the UK cant afford to put aircraft on the carriers they are building now, what prospect is there of continued RN work for the yards in the future? So why should the guys in Govan vote Labour to get Tory yet again? Ian Davidson worked that angle a couple of times. It wont work again.
        It’s over Mr Ruddy. Face up to it. Get yourself ready to work for attainable socialism in Scotland instead of forever whining in opposition.Actions not Resolutions.

        • John Ruddy

          Have you not read the Scotland Act and discovered what powers we do have?

          Have you forgotten things such as Free care for the Elderly? Delivered by Holyrood – using its present powers.

          The difference I have is that when I wake up, I think what can we do to solve peoples problems. When a nationalist wakes up they think “What can I do to make people think their problems are the fault of Westminster”.

          The Scottish Government could do a lot to help solve poverty, deprivation, injustice etc. It chooses not to. That is not the fault of Westminster, it is the fault of the SNP. And 5 years into an SNP adnministration they need to start manning up and taking responsibility for some of their failures, instead of just the successes – and blaming anything that goes wrong on someone else.

          • derek

            Yeah! but we’re going to need the powers to enact on those issues, it certainly wont happen under any status quo option?

            The Scottish parliament is 11 year old and those issue have been with us since forever and a day?

            The status quo option isn’t working?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001102865655 John Ruddy

            The SNP even let the parliaments tax-raising powers lapse!! 

  • derek

    So how did Ed’s Glasgow speech go? the feed back is that Ed didn’t outline one single positive cause for Scotland to remain within the UK.

    A word of caution for Ed, English tory MP’s are openly saying that the fight for the union is in Ed’s hands because they only have one MP in Scotland.Many now see Ed as the voice of conservatism, doing Cameron’s deeds for the cause of the union and if Scotland votes YES to Independence, the tories will point to Ed as the failure.

    A Scottish newspaper was running an article the other day saying that personnel close to Cameron have said that Cameron will block any new powers for Scotland and if Scotland wants DevoMax it will have to vote for Independence.

    Labour is in trouble in Scotland and Ed must choose his words more carefully, if Ed thinks that we’re stronger together and the sum total of the last 300 years is one square mile in London holding all the cards then Ed must think again or labour will surely become as relevant in Scotland as the tories are? 

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