The Lib Dems – not as bad as UKIP

UKIP represent the Conservative voters who have been disenfranchised by the Coalition and by the heir to Blair as PM. No wonder you do not like them! But Labour will certainly gain over the division of the traditional Conservative vote.

BNP are now pretty well dead, but the EDL had a rally over the week-end in Luton which attracted several thousand very angry people. It was not properly or fairly reported on the BBC, however. It is not unfair to compare their outrage with that of the racist/nationalist Adolf Hitler and his success in the 1930s. In the 1920s when there was prosperity all round, he was neglected. Only after the slump did he rise, meteorically, to power. We face a permanent slump now and “investment” and “soaking the rich” are becoming slogans which people like Adolf really relished. Luckily the EDP have no leader – yet.

Liberals? Forget it!

“they supported civil
liberties”

Graham Watson, LibDem
MEP – the European Arrest Warrant – and passed by a Labour government.

But what have “the
left” to do with civil liberties – the last Labour government seemed to me to
be the most authoritarian, “right wing” junta I’ve experienced in my voting
lifetime.

Thousands of children
had their fingerprints and DNA taken and stored, town halls snooped on private
e-mails, people were subjected to rendition and torture, attempts were made to
imprison suspects indefinitely, and Labour attempted to impose compulsory ID
cards – of course, not forgetting the ultimate “racism” of pouring missiles
into the high-rise buildings of foreign countries killing thousands.

I am a UKIP supporter,
and no, I’m no more racist than the next person – but I do believe that massive
immigration has harmed the chances of our young to make progress in their
lives.

Labour lecture the
present government on the “disenfranchised of Tottenham” but those people were
Labour’s children, Labour were in power for thirteen years – what did Labour do
for them apart from importing masses of cheap labour and allowing businesses to
shirk their responsibility of training and employing those young people.

If it’s a choice
between Labour completely abandoning its own people, the Conservatives
exploiting their own people, and the chancer LibDems trying to pull the wool
over the people’s eyes – then I either don’t vote at all or I vote for someone
who is going to stand up for me – as a working class tradesman.

And then there is the
European Union – state corporatism in action – witness Greece.

Denied referendums –
the Lisbon Treaty, assisted by Labour and leaving the European people with huge
departments that have to be funded by the European people who have not given
their mandate, and ignored referendums – Holland, France, and Ireland.

If the answer is “the
European Union” then the question is definitely not “what is democracy?”

Alice, you seem to be
of the same opinion as Jim Murphy who recently said:

“This is a local defeat with
enormous national interest. Our task has to be to prevent it from becoming a
national phenomena where disenchanted voters who want change send for anyone
other than the established parties.”

The people mustn’t
vote UKIP the people must always vote for the three-party stitch-up – either
that or the people must be changed.

Incidentally, only
220,000 people voted for UKIP and most of those votes were taken because the
LibDem protest vote was not available, and Labour has been the chief
beneficiary of the deserting LibDem activist – you can’t have it all ways.

I think the article makes some sense, but purely from a Labour point of view a splintering of the political right would be good for us.  Just as the SDP delivered Thatcher massively larger majorities than otherwise, so a new (but split) alignment on the right would help us.

On the other hand, the Tory party has not been the most successful political party in the world since, say, Pitt the Younger, without a great deal of electoral savvy.  As others have pointed out it has reliably represented the prejudices (if not the actual interests) of the middle class in the South East of England for most of that time.

The Liberal Democrat stooges are technically parasites. They will never be elected in sufficient numbers to form a government of their own. They therefore have to hope that no party will have overall control. They will then attach themselves to this political “host” for whom they will completely change their political identity in order to engage in the  political equivalent of symbiosis and therefore retain a position in government. 
 
That is why the Liberal Democrats will speak to any brief: why they worship Janus, the God of two faces, and it is why they present themselves as Socialists in the North and Conservatives  in the South. If we give the impression that we are cosying up to them after the enormity of their betrayal over the rate of deficit reduction; after their betrayal on tuition fees; and their betrayal on the NHS, we will alienate all of those people, particularly young people,  who have abandoned them because they are disgusted by their betrayal and have seen exactly what kind of hypocrites they are. This Tory government is  only able to put 700,000 public sector workers out of work because it has the support of the Liberal Democrat Stooges.Remember that.  The Liberal Democrats are always the party of capital. Remember that too. It was the Liberals who oppressed the suffragettes and sent the troops into the Welsh coalmining valleys.
 
I loathe UKIP’s policies (apart from the in/out referendum) but at least I know what they stand for. The Liberal Democrat stooges only have one policy and one strategy, which is to piggy back into power on the back of another party, no matter which, and for that reward they will forget all their promises to the electorate.   If they wish to prove that this is not the case they should categorically say before the General Election poll exactly which Party thay are prepared to go into coalition with. But they will never do that because they always want to hedge their bets.