The constitutional monarchy may not be perfect, but show me a political system that is

June 3, 2012 1:03 pm

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So, the bunting’s up, our little flags are ready, and with a double bank holiday, we should all be bulging to the brim with Jubilee fever. However, for many comrades the celebration of the monarch is still taboo.

I know, I know, the Labour Party should never be the party of inherited wealth, hereditary power or undemocratic principles, all running deep against our party’s soul. However, only 13% of the population want a republic, more people believe their local kebab man is Elvis (probably).

The party line is not anti-monarchy, which considering the 13% support is probably a wise move. Yet, it feels de rigeur to be a republican within Labour circles, with people looking at you like you’re a simpleton, or a right-wing nutcase, or twee countryside bumpkin if you declare your support for the Queen.

Some of the arguments used against the monarchy are fair. They are rich, and inheritance tax does not apply to those who are a ‘One’ rather than an ‘I’. However, would our hypothetical President have to pass a poverty test? And do we really want national treasures such as Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle having to be sold – most of us wouldn’t, I hope.

In fact, the monetary issue is the most emotive aspect, as well as the most unimportant of the whole debate. The Crown Estate generated £230m for the Treasury coffers last year, with the family receiving a £7.9m civil list payment back. I’ve never bought into the pseudo-science of the added tourist value, but there’s that as well. Still, as I said, when discussing who to be our head of state, do we really want it to come down to a question of wealth?

We cannot start from scratch and build the whole political system again – and if we did; I’m sure we wouldn’t have unelected Lords, part-time MPs doubling up as minsters, a Speaker wearing garters, a Black Rod and last but not least, we would obviously not have an unelected Head of State.

We would have to draw up a list of things we want from a Head of State. For me, my job description would want an independent, non-partisan statesman. The damage of having a George Bush being the representive of a nation makes me shudder. Having a neutral buffer between the politics of a nation, and the people of the nation is a huge asset.

I would want someone who is unconcerned for their own future, with duty and service and the well-being of the country as their top concern, over and above their party, their pension, their next job or election.

I would want someone ideally with an unblemished record, someone who has the power to bring the country together in bad times, and unite in joy at the good, someone who is a figurehead for the nation. I may be getting a tad gushing here, but I think you can see where I’m headed.

The monarchy is anti-democratic, perhaps, but the power is theoretical at best, and if the nuclear option of the royal prerogative was ever used, the people would be the ultimate arbiters.

The constitutional monarchy may not be perfect, but show me a political system that is.

Perhaps one day, we may need a serious discussion about the monarchy, if the minority becomes something larger than it is now…tiny.

However, for this weekend only we celebrate an old lady who has dedicated her life to duty, who has done it with honour and dignity, who gives us pride and a sense of Britishness, a tie to our past and a link to our future. So whether you’re Labour or not, that’s something surely we can all share in.

  • Swanleyjon

    Good points,well made

  • JB

    True. I consider myself a passive-republican who doesn’t like the obsequiosness that goes with the monarchy, but must concede that, despite the wealth and privilege, it does not in any way prejudice our liberties. If it did that would be different, but it doesn’t and has not really done so since 1688.

    And herein lies republicanisms’ problem: if you put 10 of us in a room all would quickly agree of their disagreement with the principles of the institution but none would necessarily agree on what the new Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would look like. Some would essentially want the status quo with just the queen taken out of the equation, others a remodelling along the lines of the American republic while others would want to go down the old socialist iconoclastic route. Therefore why risk a system that, broadly speaking, works in favour of quite a large step into the constiutional unknown.

    • AlanGiles

      Having been thwarted in his ambition to become Mayor for Birmingham, I have a horrible feeling that Liam Byrne would throw his hat into the ring first to become President closely followed by David Miliband and various other old has beens.

      • John Dore

        “old has beens”? That made me think.

        • treborc1

           John Bore…. better name me thinks.

          • John Bore

            If that makes you happy.

          • treborc1

             Does it, yes i think it does.

  • treborc1

    But the queen is really the end of the old Guard, I cannot see Charles being taken to heart in the same degree especially if he tried to become the head of all faiths for example.

    But what comes after Charles they will be the younger generation and we do not know yet how they will act, or if the public will fall in love or out.

    For me I would keep the Royal family but it would become much smaller, if only to stop the likes of Thatcher and Tony Blair acting like Royals themselves.

  • Daniel Speight

    There is a generation that went through WW2 with the Queen. As that generation takes more of a backseat or dies off the bonds will loosen. What comes next? Who knows.

    • treborc1

       Yes that right as I said she is the last really of the old guard who went through the war, and to be honest  who helped to keep the country going.

      But that’s all gone now.

      • Bill Lockhart

        It hasn’t all gone, not quite, Robert. I stood on the roof of the barge I was privileged to be working on today as the Dunkirk boats went  past and cried my bloody eyes out. It may not be New Labour, or New anything, but it hasn’t all gone.

  • Dave Postles

    ”that’s something surely we can all share in.’That’s just rhetoric.  You share in it if you wish, but don’t propose that everyone should share your opinion, please. 

    • John Dore


      You share in it if you wish, but don’t propose that everyone should share your opinion, please. ”

      Why not? Its a free country, he can share his opinion. You feel free to turn him down.

      … and I’m not a royalist either.

      • Dave Postles

        epideictic

        • jaime taurosangastre candelas

          Do you ever wake up with the sun shining in your heart, Dave?  You seem to be more and more inclined to the short, dark and sometimes miserable comments.

          • Dave Postles

            Lol

          • jaime taurosangastre candelas

            You may find this hard to believe Dave, but it is a genuine concern.  You and I may not agree on just about anything, but that does not stop me from slightly getting to know you over many months, and appreciating the passion and conviction you bring, maybe even convincing me on some issues that you champion.  Boots, for example.  Over those months, you have however declined from positive engagement to a much more narrowly focussed response, not pro-activism, and a darker and more argumentative style.

            So I hope you are well.

          • treborc1

             That is because your a Tory and he ‘s labour, you would not expect many to agree would you.

          • jaime taurosangastre candelas

            Can you be a tory without ever voting for them, or belonging to their party?

            Call me an Orange Book Liberal Democrat if you would like – it would be more accurate, in that I’ve voted Lib Dem and if I were ever to join a political party, it would be the Lib Dems.  I have also in my adult life voted for the Unión Demócrata Independiente, the Partido Demócrata Cristiano, and the Partido Por la Democracia, but that was in my younger days.

            Or is anyone who is not a card-carrying Labour member a “tory” – is that how it works?

          • treborc1

            Nope it has nothing to do with card carrying lot of people who vote labour are not members, but before New labour most were to a degree socialist. But your out look on Unions,  and life  shows your more conservative  then socialist.

            And I suspect if you did vote here you would be voting Tory

        • John Bore

          Dennis Waterman..

  • http://twitter.com/TomMillerUK Tom Miller

    “The monarchy is anti-democratic, perhaps, but the power is theoretical at best, and if the nuclear option of the royal prerogative was ever used, the people would be the ultimate arbiters.”The power to go to war?There are many quite worrying applications.But in any event, not really the point. It’s an inherited high office that means you and your family get a tonne of taxpayers’ money dumped on you.

  • http://twitter.com/TomMillerUK Tom Miller

    Good work comments system, who wants paragraphs anyway!

  • Guest

    Only 16% of country are republicans and only 27% of Labour voters. http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/6nces75nwx/YG-Archives-Pol-ST-results-01-050612.pdf

    God Save The Queen!

  • treborc1

     http://www.itv.com/news/story/2012-06-05/claims-unemployed-driven-to-london-to-work-as-unpaid-diamond-jubilee-flotilla-celebrations-stewards/
    ‘Unpaid’ jobless Jubilee stewards
    A security firm has allegedly forced a group of long-term
    unemployed jobseekers to sleep under London Bridge before working on the
    Diamond Jubilee river pageant. There are reports that the attendants
    were unpaid for their work.

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