We must be prepared to discuss immigration

June 23, 2012 11:00 am

Earlier this year my constituency was targeted by the English Defence League and other far right groups, who came to Hyde spreading their messages of hate.

They were widely condemned by community leaders and residents, who stood firm against them.  But despite the abhorrence people felt, a not insignificant number of constituents also made the point to me that, as they saw it, groups like the EDL and BNP were at least willing to raise issues – like immigration – that mainstream parties were afraid to.

It reminded me of a conversation I had in the same town centre during the 2010 General Election, with a resident who told me how the arrival of skilled eastern European workers had reduced the hourly rate he earned on building sites as a bricklayer.  He wanted his concerns about immigration to be listened to – and felt we weren’t willing to do so.

Yesterday Ed Miliband made a speech which showed he is prepared to take these issues head on.

We cannot be reluctant to discuss immigration for fear of being associated with or fuelling the arguments of the far right.  We should recognise from the last decade that the opposite is the case – keeping quiet on an issue that matters to people only fuels disillusion with mainstream politics, and it is that which the far right will really exploit.

The approach Ed Miliband signalled yesterday is a new approach – acknowledging the very real benefits of immigration, but also recognising the costs it has caused some working people.

Talking about immigration and expressing concern about the impact of immigration does not make anyone a bigot – though too often too many people still assume it does.

We need to be able to consider issues related to immigration in the knowledge that our conversations will have nothing to do with the messages of hate peddled by the far right.

I am proud that for generations Britain has proved itself to be a welcoming country – for those fleeing persecution, those joining family members or those looking for the social or economic opportunities on offer here.  Immigration has been central to the history of this country, and there are few of us who would not agree that Britain is a more successful and culturally richer place as a result.

But we also have to be clear that if we do not address the real, practical and economic concerns of working people – like my brick-laying constituent – we are letting them down.

That’s why Ed Miliband was right in his speech yesterday to have linked a consideration of immigration with changes to the economy.

With reports that some foreign workers are accepting wages that are below the usual rate – and in some cases below the National Minimum Wage – it is not surprising that UK workers in sectors like construction believe they are missing out.

But as well as impacting on the opportunities on offer to a local workforce, this ‘race to the bottom’ approach to business doesn’t protect foreign workers either.

Ed signalled a Labour Government would aim to protect workers by stricter enforcement of the minimum wage and a doubling of the fines for those found breaking it.

And – in recognition that it was a mistake not to impose transitional controls on accession from eastern European countries – when a new country joined the European Union we would limit the number of people who can come and work in the UK for seven years.

To identify problems with local skills shortages as soon as possible, we would also force medium and large employers to notify Jobcentre Plus once 25% or more of their workforce is comprised of foreign workers.

These practical measures indicate a new approach to the way Labour will approach the issues associated with immigration.

When it comes to immigration the UK has much to be proud of – but there are still issues that we need to address, and we must be confident enough to do so.

Jonathan Reynolds is the Member of Parliament for Stalybridge and Hyde and Parliamentary Private Secretary (PPS) to Ed Miliband MP.

  • SR819

    “  Immigration has been central to the history of this country, and there
    are few of us who would not agree that Britain is a more successful and
    culturally richer place as a result.”

    I’m sorry Jonathan, but that is not how a lot of people feel:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/27/support-poll-support-far-right

    And 43% of Asian Britons, 63% of white Britons and 17% of black Britons
    agreed with the statement that “immigration into Britain has been a bad
    thing for the country”.

    I think we should practise a dual strategy. First, when it comes to established immigrant communities in this country (especially those living in segregated towns and cities and have faced racial discrimination) we should have an active approach to promote community cohesion and greater relations between different ethnic groups. However, this requires a contract of sort between these communities and the government. We will give them all the help and support needed to be an active part of society, but they must make the effort to integrate themselves and assimilate and take up British values.

    Secondly, when it comes to numbers, I think we should focus on a target of zero immigration from outside the EU, while relying on the EU to fill labour shortages. However, to prevent a race to the bottom in terms of wages, we should ensure that we increase the minimum wage and upgrade it to a living wage, introduce strict penalties to companies that undercut British workers and employ migrant labour on lower rates, and introduce a small tax for every EU worker that a company employs. Moreover, we should increase the time that a company must look for vacancies in this country before looking for foreign workers through agencies.

    When it comes to the thorny issue of housing, I agree with Andrew Harrop of the Fabian Society (http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/labour-immigration) that there should be a contributory principle in the allocation of social housing. There was exceptional anger in places like Barking and Dagenham that recently arrived migrants were being pushed to the top of the housing queue ahead of local residents, and this is not a fair situation. We should have a policy where recently arrived migrants must make some community contributions before being allowed access to entitlements like housing, benefits and education (though healthcare should be free to all IMO). If we have this policy in place, I think we address the issue of fairness that is at the heart of the immigration debate. Local people have felt that they’ve been getting a rough deal out of immigration, and it’s time to address that.We should of course not engage in a race to the bottom on immigration rhetoric, but we MUST start taking about immigration, rather than treating it like the elephant in the room. Too often New Labour ignored the effects of immigration on the working class, focusing instead of the benefits of migration that mainly accrue to the middle class.

  • Thomas_Stephens

    To a large degree Miliband did err on the side of caution and reason in
    his speech, and all the policy points he has suggested (so far as I
    can tell) are quite fair. In fact, I would go further and look at the
    tuition fees charged to international students: as long as there is a
    free market on these fees, universities have an unfair incentive to
    take up international students instead of British ones as they get
    more funding that way (and a disproportionate number of clearing
    spaces go to international students). Equalising the fees (and
    subsidising the differential from the treasury) would not only mean
    the same fees for everyone, regardless of nationality (which is fair
    for them), but it would also give British prospective students a fair
    chance here.

    However, in promising to tackle issues of immigration Ed Miliband needs to
    draw a strong and clear dividing line between our reasonable approach
    and the more over-blown, media-driven approach of the Tories and
    others. Maurice Glasman’s radicalism here also is rather worrying and
    we should reject it.

    The media are guilty of a persistent and sickening focus on immigration
    over and above all other issues. If Labour builds 100,000 houses in
    a year, that story barely warrants mention in the press; yet the
    effects of, say, 10,000 migrants on British housing supply receives
    front-page coverage. In the Daily Politics the other day, Chris
    Bryant suggested that Labour had let too many migrants into the
    country when in power – he should have made the point that only
    around 30% of Polish migrants ever had any intention of staying in
    this country. When figures were released some years ago looking at
    which UK jobs had gone to immigrants, the press jumped on the fact
    that it suggested 98% of jobs under Labour had gone to immigrants -
    but only if you assume that not a single migrant has left the country
    since moving here! We do have to challenge these myths wherever they
    are, and Bryant’s concession here (which he later reneged on…) was
    unneccesary.

    We also shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that, just because a voter says
    they’re concerned about immigration, it doesn’t mean that’s the real
    problem. I come from Amber Valley, which polled 3000 votes for the
    BNP in 2010 and (until recently) had two BNP borough councillors.
    According to Guardian figures some time ago, Amber Valley boasted the
    second-highest number of BNP members of any parliamentary
    constituency. But I can tell you that Amber Valley, of all
    constituencies, is probably one of the least affected by immigration.
    Entire years at my local secondary school would only have maybe 1-2
    black students. That should give people an idea that overt fears
    about immigration are often not about immigration at all. The way you
    solve the issue here – as one great pamphlet with contributions from
    Jon Cruddas says – is to tackle the underlying issues by listening to
    voters and making local politics more attentive to people’s genuine
    needs.

    Nevertheless, I have no issue with Ed Miliband addressing the issue of immigration
    as exactly what it is: just an economic phenomenon, bedded in (and
    far less significant than) matters like housing, health, jobs and
    welfare. Considering it like this is something that both sides on the
    argument need to do: its effects can be positive or negative; neither
    massively overblown or utterly dismissed. But here’s an interesting
    fact: even during the Irish potato famine – which brought a flood of
    impoverished Irishmen into the country and stoked up (probably for
    the first time…) mass fears over immigration – local movements of
    English people into the towns, even in Liverpool, was always higher
    than the number of Irish people coming in. Domestic migration always
    had a higher effect on housing, rates, etc than the movement of Irish
    people. What stoked the fears about immigration then (as now) were
    perceptions of “otherness” – the view that (despite Union
    in the 1800s) the Irishman was not and never could be English – and
    it is telling that in towns like Hull during this period (which had
    higher employment and some key Irish figures in the city to help with
    integration) fears of immigration were less profound than in
    Liverpool, even though a great deal of Irish migrants did find their
    way into Hull. Should local people then have been concerned about
    Irish migrants? Absolutely. But when you read the vitriolic
    complaints of the local Liverpool businessman of the time, he always
    claims his fears and concerns are proportionate to the problem they
    are faced with. If that was really true he’d have made just passing
    mention of the domestic migrants too.

    However, Ed needs to make sure he doesn’t get carried away in the over-blown
    language and vitriol of some sections of politics and the press – and
    through no fault of his own this speech has been interpreted wrongly
    as both (a) committing Labour to an anti-immigration line; or (b)
    showing Labour sees immigration as a completely positive thing –
    which is a great shame.

  • Thomas_Stephens

    To a large degree Miliband did err on the side of caution and reason in
    his speech, and all the policy points he has suggested (so far as I
    can tell) are quite fair. In fact, I would go further and look at the
    tuition fees charged to international students: as long as there is a
    free market on these fees, universities have an unfair incentive to
    take up international students instead of British ones as they get
    more funding that way (and a disproportionate number of clearing
    spaces go to international students). Equalising the fees (and
    subsidising the differential from the treasury) would not only mean
    the same fees for everyone, regardless of nationality (which is fair
    for them), but it would also give British prospective students a fair
    chance here.

    However, in promising to tackle issues of immigration Ed Miliband needs to
    draw a strong and clear dividing line between our reasonable approach
    and the more over-blown, media-driven approach of the Tories and
    others. Maurice Glasman’s radicalism here also is rather worrying and
    we should reject it.

    The media are guilty of a persistent and sickening focus on immigration
    over and above all other issues. If Labour builds 100,000 houses in
    a year, that story barely warrants mention in the press; yet the
    effects of, say, 10,000 migrants on British housing supply receives
    front-page coverage. In the Daily Politics the other day, Chris
    Bryant suggested that Labour had let too many migrants into the
    country when in power – he should have made the point that only
    around 30% of Polish migrants ever had any intention of staying in
    this country. When figures were released some years ago looking at
    which UK jobs had gone to immigrants, the press jumped on the fact
    that it suggested 98% of jobs under Labour had gone to immigrants -
    but only if you assume that not a single migrant has left the country
    since moving here! We do have to challenge these myths wherever they
    are, and Bryant’s concession here (which he later reneged on…) was
    unneccesary.

    We also shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that, just because a voter says
    they’re concerned about immigration, it doesn’t mean that’s the real
    problem. I come from Amber Valley, which polled 3000 votes for the
    BNP in 2010 and (until recently) had two BNP borough councillors.
    According to Guardian figures some time ago, Amber Valley boasted the
    second-highest number of BNP members of any parliamentary
    constituency. But I can tell you that Amber Valley, of all
    constituencies, is probably one of the least affected by immigration.
    Entire years at my local secondary school would only have maybe 1-2
    black students. That should give people an idea that overt fears
    about immigration are often not about immigration at all. The way you
    solve the issue here – as one great pamphlet with contributions from
    Jon Cruddas says – is to tackle the underlying issues by listening to
    voters and making local politics more attentive to people’s genuine
    needs.

    Nevertheless, I have no issue with Ed Miliband addressing the issue of immigration
    as exactly what it is: just an economic phenomenon, bedded in (and
    far less significant than) matters like housing, health, jobs and
    welfare. Considering it like this is something that both sides on the
    argument need to do: its effects can be positive or negative; neither
    massively overblown or utterly dismissed. But here’s an interesting
    fact: even during the Irish potato famine – which brought a flood of
    impoverished Irishmen into the country and stoked up (probably for
    the first time…) mass fears over immigration – local movements of
    English people into the towns, even in Liverpool, was always higher
    than the number of Irish people coming in. Domestic migration always
    had a higher effect on housing, rates, etc than the movement of Irish
    people. What stoked the fears about immigration then (as now) were
    perceptions of “otherness” – the view that (despite Union
    in the 1800s) the Irishman was not and never could be English – and
    it is telling that in towns like Hull during this period (which had
    higher employment and some key Irish figures in the city to help with
    integration) fears of immigration were less profound than in
    Liverpool, even though a great deal of Irish migrants did find their
    way into Hull. Should local people then have been concerned about
    Irish migrants? Absolutely. But when you read the vitriolic
    complaints of the local Liverpool businessman of the time, he always
    claims his fears and concerns are proportionate to the problem they
    are faced with. If that was really true he’d have made just passing
    mention of the domestic migrants too.

    However, Ed needs to make sure he doesn’t get carried away in the over-blown
    language and vitriol of some sections of politics and the press – and
    through no fault of his own this speech has been interpreted wrongly
    as both (a) committing Labour to an anti-immigration line; or (b)
    showing Labour sees immigration as a completely positive thing –
    which is a great shame.

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