Multiculturalism isn’t crap. It’s a fact.

July 30, 2012 11:10 am

Aidan Burley MP, the Conservative, caused a stir on Twitter when he referred to the Olympics opening ceremony, directed by Danny Boyle, as ‘leftie multicultural crap… Bring back red arrows, Shakespeare and the Stones!’. Obviously the sight of the brave Doreen Lawrence, inspiring Muhammad Ali, and the articulate Shami Chakrabarti touching the Olympics flag was just too much for him to stomach.

I beg to differ. The ceremony reminded me of why I am proud to be British. It said that Britain is as proud of its diversity in the modern world as it is of its vast intellectual, historical, religious and social heritage (an ode to the NHS, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, children belting out hymns – god bless; and Mr. Bean on piano doing Chariots of Fire all attest to this fact). Britain often strikes the balance between modernism and heritage perfectly. Danny Boyle was right to celebrate the striking of that balance – it was encapsulated in the visual of the flame passing onto youth. At that moment I was suddenly reminded of a line from an old postwar poem:

“Take up our quarrel with the foe. To you from failing hands we throw/The torch – be yours to hold it high –”

Suffice to say, I get a great deal from reading British poetry and Shakespeare, and I love the Rolling Stones. But I also get a great deal out from Asian heritage and identity – and have a real interest in learning about others’ cultures. I consider both of these things to be facets, not of my ‘Asian-ness’ – but of my Britishness. In short, there is no conflict between the existence of a multicultural, diverse society; and ‘red arrows, Shakespeare and the Stones’. There is room for everyone’s Britishness, whoever they are, and that is exactly what the ceremony said.

When reflecting upon Burley’s comment is worth our revisiting that old chestnut of what, precisely, multiculturalism is. After some years spent grappling with it as an ideology I’ve realised that it isn’t an ideology at all. It’s a fact. Zadie Smith, writer of White Teeth, once said that multiculturalism wasn’t about how things in Britain should be:

“Multiculturalism as a policy or an ideology is something I have never understood. We don’t walk around our neighbourhood thinking how’s this experiment going? This is not how people live. It’s just a fact, a fact of life, and once people are able to move freely in the world, by plane or by boat, it’s an inevitability.”

Our markets, shops, restaurants, art galleries, photography exhibitions, and yes – our Olympian sporting events, are all the more richer and interesting for this fact. When we remove the veil of ideology it becomes transparent that any attack on multiculturalism means one would rather see all of this gone; a reversal to the times where diverse groups and communities did not exist. This is not a ‘leftie’ attitude. This is not even a conservative attitude. It is a regressive attitude. Anyone British who has their eyes even half open can just see that we are irreversibly touched by diversity.

The spin machine that says multiculturalism is an ideology and not a fact also suggests an aversion to facing up to reality – an aversion to realising that people are different. It suggests an aversion to recognising that we must develop and deliver services that are sensitive to these differences. Last week, I visited the Barnet Multicultural Community Centre, at which Hillary Benn MP spoke articulately about the need for greater and more effective community engagement and support. The elderly who are supported by the centre are from a range of BME cultural and religious backgrounds. They face language barriers and have culture-specific dietary requirements which only multicultural sensitive services are able to provide. The centre’s future is uncertain. If financial support to such specialised services is cut the consequence will only be greater expense in increased social care costs. Making the effort to understand difference will only benefit British society in the long run.

But there are more than simply economic reasons for being inclusive and sensitive to difference. The taxpayer who paid for this Olympic ceremony comes from all walks of life and contributes in their own way to the brilliantly rich sense of Britishness we have in the modern world. Damning the Olympics opening ceremony as ‘multicultural crap’ betrays a deep ignorance of this simple fact. It also betrays a deep ignorance and disrespect of the people who pay Mr Burley’s wage and who have put him in Parliament.

That is why he should now step down from public office.

  • Cllr Kevin Maton

    Spot on

  • http://twitter.com/Chas_Boz David Arrowsmith

    I would like to remind the writer than multiculturalism is a myth.  The black population of this country speak English, embrace English religions and culture, hence they are English regardless how exotic they appear.  I would remind you that for the Asian population this not the case to such an extent they need they own radio network. There people are not English and through their ghetto attitude have sought the end of forced multiculturalism. Long live black England.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

      First, the ‘Asian’ population is not monolithic – given that the majority of people of Asian background were born here, they certainly do speak English. Those who do not are often either elderly, female or both, and came to the UK at a later stage in life. 
      The radio stations reflect cultural interests and are not exclusively in Asian sub-continent languages. Niche interests, playing music of interest to people from that background – its quite possible to enjoy both Western and Bollywood music, as do many young Asian-background people

      • treborc

        But do they follow Manchester United.

        • Chilbaldi

          Most fans of that awful club don’t come from these isles…

          • Brumanuensis

            Damn straight Chilbaldi. Sometimes I think there ought to be a law against supporting teams from outside of a 50-mile radius of where you were born (with exemptions for family teams).

          • jaime taurosangastre candelas

            That seems unreasonably draconian.  I support both Harlequins and the English rugby teams, and I was born nearly 8,000 miles away.  I don’t support the Scottish rugby team despite being half Scottish, as they play very unattractive rugby not very well, and Scotland was such a miserable and closed society in the late 1950s that my old man left pretty much as soon as he had qualified and done his hospital year.  He probably now won’t leave Chile again, but if he did, he’s happy not to ever return to Scotland.

            As for football, well it is a tribal nonsense with the origins in 2 neighbour villages fighting over a pig’s bladder, and it has been downhill from there.  William Webb-Ellis was inspired in taking the best elements and turning it into a proper sport.

            (You must interpret this with an “internet smiley”. Yes, I know some marketing man called it “the beautiful game”, and that sometimes Brazil look like they dance on clouds and play in a different dimension, but the reality of football in Great Britain is that it is licensed rivalry, with fans having to be segregated because they cannot be trusted not to kill each other, and “support” for a team often being a thin veneer for some really ugly hatred of other people. See the Glasgow teams, Milwall and several others for examples) :)

  • John Ruddy

    English history is the story of multi-culturalism – whether it is the Romans bringing over their roads, their religion etc, the Anglo-Saxons bringing across their language, their laws and their justice, the Normans bringing across, err, well something…. Britain is how it is as a result of multi-culturalism!

    • KonradBaxter

      Is there a nation which, by this criteria,  has a history which could not also claim to be ‘the story of multiculturalism’?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

        Which is a very good reason for accepting it….

        • Winston_from_the_Ministry

          …if you accept the criteria.

    • Hugh

      Didn’t the Romans tend to invade places, enslave people, demand allegiance to the emperor, and knock off people at various times due to their religion, as opposed to, say, building them a community centre and translating welfare application forms?

      • Lembit Opik’s Lovechild

         Some might say that some of the more rabidly militant Islamists who wish to establish a world wide caliphate would like to do the same thingas the romans

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

          So what do you suggest? Throwing Muslims to the lions?

          I am atheist and think all religions equally unnecessary and unattractive, but there are followers of a range of different religions in the UK, including Islam. And religions have extreme followers.

          This is a reality, so what point are you making?

          • Bill Lockhart

             I suggest that we should expect Muslims to adapt to our norms rather than we to theirs. A large proportion of British Muslims, for example, sincerely believe that you should be executed. Such opinions should not be tolerated. The indulgence of vicious intolerance is not itself tolerant, it is merely weak.

          • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

            But many of our norms are multicultural. Or is that you think only Muslims can be associated with multiculturalism?

          • Bill Lockhart

             ”Many of our norms are multicultural”- what does that actually mean?  The whole problem with multiculturalism is that norms which should be anathema in a western liberal democracy are given utterly false ‘respectability’ just because they come from an ethnic- or religious-minority origin- so we have in Tower Hamlets the propagation of vicious homophobia and physical threatening of women from within the Muslim/local-political hegemony.
            All cultures are not morally equivalent, and it is high time that this was explicitly recognised in the governance of this country.

          • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

            No one is claiming that all cultures are morally equivalent – that is a straw man of your own making for your own convenience.

          • Bill Lockhart

             Really? Try telling a Labour conference that Western secular liberalism is morally superior to Islam and see how you get on.

          • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

            There’d be an interesting debate.

            Science (producing truths common to all cultures)  can be understood as a secular approach to reality – I suppose you think attendees at Labour conference are prepared to jettison the culture of science.

            Sorry Bill but you’re talking twaddle.

          • Brumanuensis

            Considering Islam preserved large chunks of scientific and mathematical knowledged whilst Europe was mired in the Middle Ages, I’d say we owe Islam quite a lot on this score.

          • Bill Lockhart

             And I’d say you evidently know little about Europe during the Middle Ages.

          • Brumanuensis

            Considering ‘democracy’ is a Greek word first used in reference to Greek political culture, whilst ‘liberalism’ – a word derived from Latin – was born out the Continental Wars of Religion, during the 16th and 17th centuries, and ‘western’ a term derived from classical history, is often held to relate to a religion founded in the Middle East, I’d say you’ve proved Dave’s point there, Bill.

            Add to that the fact you are writing in an Indo-European language which takes the bulk of its vocabulary and grammar from Greek, Latin and varieties of French, and we’ve a got a nice multi-cultural celebration going on. 

          • Brumanuensis

            ‘Muslims’ aren’t a homogenous block. And polling data suggests that more British Muslims agree with the statement, ‘I am proud of how Britain treats gay people’, than CoE respondents.

          • Bill Lockhart

             Polling data? You mean like the Gallup poll which shows that-

            Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance towards homosexual
            acts compared to their counterparts in France and Germany, according to
            a survey published today….

            It shows that British Muslims hold more conservative opinions towards
            homosexual acts, abortion, viewing pornography, suicide and sex outside
            marriage than European Muslims, polling markedly lower when asked if
            they believed these things were morally acceptable.
            The most
            dramatic contrast was found in attitudes towards homosexuality. None of
            the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were
            morally acceptable.

            http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality

          • Brumanuensis
          • Bill Lockhart

             http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/06/13/peter-tatchell-gay-rights-groups-need-to-stand-up-to-islamist-homophobia/

      • Brumanuensis

        That doesn’t change the fact that they had a profound influence on the history and culture of the British Isles.

      • Will

        Forget not the Northmen.

        A Norse, a Norse, my Kingdom for a Norse!

    • Brumanuensis

      The Normans founded large parts of the modern English legal system.

      • treborc

        The Doomsday book, which many felt was wrong since tax was the main idea of this, who owes him land tax.

         
        Apart from the scorched earth policy and famine meted out to the Northern counties in the ‘Harrying of the North’ in 1070 as punishment for the rebellion in York, there is not much else to add to William’s glowing list of achievements.

        What is perceived as a Norman conquest of the Anglo-Saxon people in
        power and mind can only be attributed to the fact that the framework of a
        very successful race was already in place.

        Paul Bailey

        http://www.historyinanhour.com/2011/09/28/so-what-did-the-normans-ever-do-for-us/

    • Will

      Why have Scottish people got a funny accent? Enter… The Vikings!

      • treborc

         The Welsh have  funny accents and still speak the old English language and the Viking came here s well.

    • treborc

       Big castles and the Tories seemed to be around then…In the mid-1180s the monks of Abingdon Abbey accused their hated custodian of, amongst other wrongs, economic illiteracy.

  • KonradBaxter

    You seem to have fallen into the old trap of partly mistaking multiculturalism with race / skin colour. It isn’t about that.
     
    You can have a mixed racial / ethnic group who all share one culture and a same race / ethnic group who do not and who are multi cultural.
     
    The issue is a mix of culture, not having people of all different skin tones and ancestry.
     
    Doreen Lawrence,  Muhammad Ali and  Shami Chakrabarti   are NOT representatives of multi culturalism in and of themselves. The first and last are just examples of non-white British people, the middle a famous boxer here as a tourist. They do NOT represent multiculturalism. How could they? Because they are not white therefore they must be ‘other’?
     
    MC has its advantages but also leads to ghettos and isolation. There needs to be a general overarching link for the community or there is no wider community. And thats when ‘we’ hear things that shock us – such as that X people from Y ethnic background support / do not support ABC.
     
    This is a reason some have an issue with MC being seen as great – it can allow great mixing and creativity and harmony but can also lead to ugliness like FGM and forced marriage being accepted as ‘its part of their culture / heritage we don’t want to interfere in case we look racist’.  
     
    “There is room for everyone’s Britishness…”
     
    Is there? That of the EDL and BNP and that of the 7/7 bombers and the ‘behead those who insult islam brigade?  There has to be some sort of common sense of community or there is no community.
     
    I do not believe that there is room for everyone’s as some people will try and recreate a rural peasant life on a liberal western democracy.  Others will bring their primitive notions of family honour as part of their Britishness. Or their opinions on women and homosexuals.

    “When we remove the veil of ideology it becomes transparent that any attack on multiculturalism means one would rather see all of this gone..”
    A weak and poison laced attempt to shut down all debate on the issue. I’m in favour of MC but against FGM, forced marriage, ‘honour’ killings, people living here and never learning the language, persecution of homosexuals, ghettos, reduced opportunities for women, people having to wear masks in public, etc, etc. It is not all good and we need to be able to stand up and say – “This is NOT BRITISH. It is alien, unwanted and not part of who we are as a tolerant community. We have made strides ourselves to wipe out certain things from ourselves and we expect those who live here as us to do the same”.
    The notion that the idea of having a wide range of different cultures inhabiting the same space is not an ideology is absurd. Of course it is, just as those who want a mono-culture have an ideology. Just because it exists does not mean there is no ideology behind it at some level(s). If there was no ideology to treat all the same and allow them we would be in a different situation, less multicultural. Instead there was a decision that we will and should allow all to express their own cultural as part of the wider mix of society.
    “It suggests an aversion to recognising that we must develop and deliver services that are sensitive to these differences”
    Not necessarily. Why should the host culture continue contort itself? Why cannot these new cultures change themselves? After all, if you really wanted to live in a Nigerian or Belgian culture you would live in those places. Instead, ‘we’ are expected to change and then you end up with, for example, women only swimming times in council tax funded swimming pools. Segregation and discrimination in the name of sensitivity. An alien sensitivity to much of modern 21st century Britain. Even an offensive sensitivity. The same goes for all documents to be translated into all languages indefinitely with no expectation that (non elderly)  people will learn the language  of the UK.
    You can say MC is a fact buit recognise that it is a developing fact. You should also admit that some parts of MC are indeed crap.

    • PeterJukes

      Bizarrely, I find a lot to agree in there. But what Aidan Burley (and I’ve met him) was clearly complaining about was the latter sequences, especially the Dizzee Rascal rapping and the internet sequence with (to the Mail’s chagrin) focused on a mixed race household. 

      Multi-culturalism has never really been an ideology in the UK (unlike Europe, where Multi Kulti clearly led to ghettoes and segregation). We have a long tradition of liberal tolerance to immigrants and asylum seekers (hence Voltaire, Marx and Freud fled here at times) and in the 20th century, a long tradition of anti racism, partly coming from a reaction to colonialism, and even more importantly the fight back against the brown shirts and their anti-semitism in the East End.

      If pushed, I’d say that was part of ‘British’ culture. Not the only part by a long shot, and my reading of the aim of Boyle’s opening ceremony, which included pastoral visions of Jerusalem, and a celebration of the dynamism of 19th Century entrepreneurship (as well as the Monarchy and the armed forces) was to incorporate the Suffragettes, Windrush, Bangra, Punk and Rap into a f orm of Britishness.

      In other words, he strove to show that Britishness is very diverse. That isn’t the same as multiculturalism. Indeed, you could say that our culture – which for centuries has been multinational (4 nations in one say) and multidenominational (the tolerance acts etc) has a unifying element.

      Anyway, I don’t think anyone is shutting down discussion of this. The great thing is that the Opening Ceremony, and the Olympics in general, is encouraging a discussion of modern Britishness. 

      I don’t want to exclude Elgar, Chelsea Pensioners, Corgis, Pearly Kings and Queens from this. They’re key parts of Britishness too. But there is a minority who feel threatened (and always have done) by the cosmopolitanism and miscegenation of our big cities. To them, Dizzee Rascal looms larger than Johnny Rotten as a threat. Time will tame that fear. 

      • KonradBaxter

        “Anyway, I don’t think anyone is shutting down discussion of this…”

        I very much disagree. Saying this (my emphasis)

        “When we remove the veil of ideology it becomes transparent that **ANY** attack on multiculturalism means one would rather see all of this gone; a reversal to the times where diverse groups and communities did not exist.”

        Is a way to say ‘if you question one part of MC, no matter how awful,  then you want to sweep everything away and return to an all white, all christain monocultural nation’. Of course,  it would be very hard to find a time when Britain didn’t have  diverse groups and communities.  

        • PeterJukes

          One word in an essay? If that’s shutting down debate, it didn’t do a very good job did it?

          • KonradBaxter

            A)  it was not ‘one word’ it was one key word in a sentence which is designed to stop debate by stating that if one is opposed to MC one is opposed to every single aspect of MC in totality. Black or white.

            No ‘opposed to forced marriage and honour killing but in favour of good restaurants and better attitudes to the elderly’. You have to choose everything or nothing.

            B) It was an attempt and not a good one. I didn’t say it was successful.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

            Is there really major support for forced marriage or honour killings – among any group? Sure, you get some who do hold on to practices from elsewhere, but I would question whether this is held by a large number of people

          • Hugh

            Nazir Afzal of the Crown Prosecution Service estimates there are 10,000 forced marriages in Britain every year.

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17319136

            I guess it depends what you mean by “major”.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

            Exactly what is that figure based on – or is it plucked out of thin air? Where is the evidence base?

            There is a difference between arranged and forced marriage – the last study on forced marriage suggested 3000 was the likely number - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/mar/08/religion

          • Hugh

             It seems to be based on the extrapolation of 2,000 complaints annually to the CPS’s forced marriage unit by someone who is presumably well placed to make an estimate since he’s made it something of his specialism.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

            So its guesswork, then? Clearly forced marriage exists, and I agree with the decision to make it a specific criminal offence, but is it actively supported by most Asian people? There is a difference between the idea of respecting the tradition of ‘family honour’ (which is quite widespread) and thinking its OK to kill someone

          • Hugh

             Yes, guesswork, but from someone who would seem to be better informed and better placed to make an estimation of the size of the problem than you.

            “Is it actively supported by most Asian people?”

            I very much doubt it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

            But certainlynot as equipped as the researchwhich has been done which indicates3000. 

    • Graham Duke

       Excellent post – one thing I don’t understand in the OP is that the ‘Barnet Multicultural Centre’ seems to only support people from BME backgrounds. How is this ‘multicultural’?

  • http://twitter.com/Chas_Boz David Arrowsmith

    I would point out I am not a Tory, I cite the glowing example of 
    Shingai Elizabeth Maria Shoniwa dark beauty of the Noisettes, climbing the lighting rigging to entertain the Glastonbury crowds before introducing the next song with a strong Sauth London accent. Long live black Lewisham and the English.

  • http://twitter.com/johnringer John Ringer

    Excellent article. It’s just too bad that the term “multiculturalism” has come to be vilified even by people in the political mainstream. Of course, it’s all dog-whistle politics: saying you think “multiculturalism” has failed is basically a way to say “Enoch Powell was right”.

    On another (pedantic) note: ‘In Flanders Fields’ was not post-war, nor was it British. It was written during World War One by a Canadian military doctor named John McCrae, following the Second Battle of Ypres.

    In fact, Canada is so proud of ‘In Flanders Fields’ that we put it on our $10 bill: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5025/5597648347_3daba3344d_b.jpg

    • KonradBaxter

      “…saying you think “multiculturalism” has failed is basically a way to say “Enoch Powell was right”

      And another attempt to shut down any debate on the issue with the RACIST Brush.

      • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

        Why is John attempting “to shut down any debate” just because he expresses his opinion? The opposite is true, he is contributing to debate. You don’t agree with him so, inexplicably, you make an unfounded accusation – very odd.

        • KonradBaxter

          Please read what he wrote…

          “…saying you think “multiculturalism” has failed is basically a way to say “Enoch Powell was right”

          He is saying that anyone who says that they think MC has failed is automatically a Powell supporter, a Rivers of Blood believer. He exterminates any other motive or thought a person may have and ignores any and all explanations for why someone may think that by declaring that they are – without deoubt – a Powell supporter.

          It’s an attempt to sut down debate by declaring that anyone who takes an opposing view, however nuanced, is essentially a racist.

          ‘If you don’t vote Labour you are basically hate black people’ would be another example.   

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

            It depends what is meant by ‘multiculturalism’. 

            There is a position that multiculturalism is/was a definitive policy to prevent integration and to stress and emphasise differences

            I doubt whether that has ever been the reality. For most, it is just a fact that multiculturalism exists in that we are a country made up of a range of different cultures and people of different backgrounds.

            Being ‘against’ that is pointless, because its just the reality – its like being against bad weather. I don’t see how it can be judged as a ‘success’ or a ‘failure’ for the same reasons.

          • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

            “He is saying… ”

            He is saying what he is saying – expressing his view. You claim he is attempting to shut down debate – but the comment box is still available. You can ignore him, respond to him with a contrary opinion or express an unrelated opinion etc. There is no attempt to shut down debate.

            You seem to be claiming an underdog, persecuted status – as if an invisible hand is moving against you and John is somehow responsible. But you are free to have your say yet you substitute an imaginary obstacle for your opinion – I wonder, is this a form of self-pity?

          • Hugh

             He’s attempting to shut down debate by suggesting anyone who questions multiculturalism is racist. Since people don’t want to be thought of as racist, they’re therefore likely to be less willing to question multiculturalism if his suggestion is accepted. He is therefore wittingly or unwittingly attempting to narrow the breadth of acceptable views.

            It’s pretty simple, really. When people talk about “shutting down debate” they don’t usually have in mind guns and prison.

          • Brumanuensis

            So why are you still here if he’s shut down the debate? 

          • Will

            It’s a more case of shutting debate after the horse has bolted if you ask me…

          • Brumanuensis

             There, there. Poor little bunny.
             
            This is a bit like the right-wing myth that ‘no-one can talk about immigration’, despite the fact that on any given day of the week, at least one mass-circulation daily will have a front page about immigration.

      • Lembit Opik’s Lovechild

         ”….. a way to say that Enoch Powell was right” is a subsection of Godwin’s law applicable to any discussion of race, multiculturalism etc. 

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

  • http://twitter.com/goLookGoRead goLookGoRead is:

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p159_Taylor.html

    The Challenge of
    ‘Multiculturalism’ In How Americans View the Past and the Future – Institute for
    Historical Review

  • Hugh

    ” any attack on multiculturalism means one would rather see all of this gone; ”

    It’s amazing that you can call for us to revisit the “old chestnut” of what multiculturalism is and then conflate it with diversity within a paragraph.

    The French don’t pursue a policy of multiculturalism; the US too has favoured integration. The problems in both countries suggest it’s no panacea; but should we really consider both nations beyond the pale because they don’t subscribe to a particular approach to fostering immigrants?

    If memory serves you would also need to be asking  Trevor Phillips (if he wasnt quitting already), a few Bishops and a number of Labour MPs to step down since all have also attacked aspects if not the basis of multi-culturalis in recent years.

    • Brumanuensis

      Considering the French have a pretty terrible record on integration – just look at the opinion polls of young French Muslims for instance – why should we take lessons from them?

  • Bill Lockhart

    Leftist multiculturalism is indeed an ideology, which holds that all cultures and belief systems are morally equal and equally worthy of “respect”. This results in the ludicrous moral contortions of leftists offering “respect” and “tolerance” to cultural homophobia and misogyny amongst deeply intolerant ethnic and religious minorities whilst fiercely castigating and condemning much milder and rarer examples of the same attitudes amongst white people.

    • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

      “all cultures and belief systems are morally equal and equally worthy of “respect”. ”
      You’ve served up a large dose of poppycock there, Bill.

      As if there is unanimity within the left! As if there is agreement on what constitutes culture! And agreement on whether cultures are identical with geo-political boundaries or ethnic assumptions.

      Sorry mate, the world and its people don’t conform to your prejudices.

      • Bill Lockhart

         Livingstone, Lutfur Rahman. A fully signed-up right-on Leftist in a passionate political embrace with a hard-line homophobic, misogynist Islamist. That’s the realisty of multiculturalism.

        • Brumanuensis

          Lutfur Rahman. Homophobe.

          That will explain how Tower Hamlets came 16th on Stonewall’s ‘Top 100 Employers 2012. One place behind Brighton & Hove Council. Or how Lutfur Rahman ended up becoming the first Asian-origin mayor in the UK to open a Gay Pride event. Clearly a virulent homophobe.

          • Bill Lockhart

             http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/03/04/homophobic-hatred-growing-in-lutfur-rahmans-east-london-council-chambers/

          • Brumanuensis

            Aside from the fact it’s based on a Gilligan blog entry – a man with an axe to grind - this is just a set of unproven allegations that amount to little more than hearsay.

            It also doesn’t explain how an organisation run by such a noxious homophobe ends up being the second highest ranked local authority in the country, in terms of being a gay-friendly workplace.

            You also appear to have overlooked the penultimate paragraph which notes:

            “Earlier this year, stickers quoting the Koran appeared around Whitechapel district of Tower Hamlets declaring it a “gay-free zone”. The East London Mosque and the Mayor Rahman later condemned the stickers in a joint statement with a local interfaith forum and a gay group, stating that matter was being treated as a homophobic hate crime”.

            If Rahman is a homophobe, he’s going about it in a decidedly funny way. Like this:

            http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/09/26/500-attend-east-london-pride/

            “Tower Hamlets mayor Lutfur Rahman spoke on stage with a drag queen and told the crowd he would ensure respect for local LGBT people.

            Mr Rahman said: “I grew up here, and have seen how things have changed in the last 20 years. I want you to be in no doubt I will fight to ensure there is respect for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender culture and rights in the same way I will for all communities.

            “LGBT people are part of the community of Tower Hamlets, and a respected part. Together, I want to build a united communities of communities, one Tower Hamlets.
            “That’s the tradition of this area, and I am personally deeply committed to it. I am pleased to be here and to support this event.”

            Festival organiser Jack Gilbert said: “His words are to be welcomed, as were the discussions in the community marketplace, on LGBT Muslim experience, on the increase in homophobic crime and on LGBT-related material in schools.

            “We look forward to a meeting in the near future to take these forward.”

            Not like Bozza, whose opinions on gay marriage have undergone, er, ‘modification’.

          • Bill Lockhart

             If you believe that an Islamist politician in Britain is likely to confess his true feelings about gays in public, you’re more naive than I thought.

          • Brumanuensis

            I ask for evidence, you give me hearsay. Stump up hard evidence of homophobia on the part of Lutfur Rahman or look up the definition of defamation.

          • Bill Lockhart

            OK, you believe everything a politician tells you as sincere truth. Good luck with that.

          • treborc

             You have been caught out old boy unable to prove your accusations naughty naughty.

  • Lembit Opik’s Lovechild

    I know I’m rather better known for taking the mick about things but I would like to take this opportunity to make a serious point I would ask you to consider. I’m not trying to score points or be infamatory so I would appreciate considered responses.

    many on the right, and an large proportion of the more mature population do see multiculturalism as a problem.  They see it as an attempt to force strangers, very different strangers upon them and their communities. They do see it in large part as a part of a deliberate attempt to subvert the traditions, culture and practices they hold dear to.  This attack comes in many forms og ewhich political correctness is but one and it has to be said these come mainly from the left.  I think what’s even more worrying to people of this viewpoint is the speed of these changes. They’re happening so fast they don’t give people chance to assimulate them.

    There is also, I think, another major difference between changes now and events in the past.
    With the honourable exceptions of the Romans, the Normans and the Hugue the influxes of different groups into the UK have been of relatively small numbers, have been broadly similar in ethnic background, and have attempted either to assimulate into English culture or assimulating in large part whislt maintaining their culture but relatively low key.

    In the last forty years we have seen relatively large and very visible influxes of people from India, Uganda,  Bangladesh, many countries of the Middle east and last but not least Eastern Europe. 

    Many British people did need to change their views on homosexuality, women’s rights, among many other things. If you look from then to now views have changed massively.
    However, modern immigration has not been a completely good thing. It has brought problems. Seen from the right  the left and proponents of multiculturalism never seem to recognise any of these problems. Instead they just rush blindly onwards demanding even more changes to society.

    Please recognise, accept, and consider that a large proportion of the polulation feel they have had enough change. They would like a rest, to site back, catch their breath and get used to the curent situation before even more changes are forced upon them.

    All we hear is a cacophany of voices demanding change, demanding that we impliment their viewpoint immediately, whatever their cause, whatever it’s merit. 

    Be considerate of others who don’t hold your viewpoint please. The right has to be, cos it’s been made illegal to be otherwise.

  • Winston_from_the_Ministry

    If multiculturism is simply fact. Then how do we know it is better for all involved than an alternative we did not get the chance to experience?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

      We don’t, but as it is here and unlikely to be obliterated, although it will change, as do all cultures and societies over time, I see little point in starting from any other position 

      • Winston_from_the_Ministry

        Reason to accept, but not lavish unquestioning praise, on it then.

        Nor lambast those who question it’s value.

  • Winston_from_the_Ministry

     It’s an estimate.

  • jaime taurosangastre candelas

    Is there any chance of the British rural regions getting a look in on the multicultural debate?  The places of small towns and villages where considerably more than half of the British people actually live?  Or is it all an urban argument, with loud agreement between the “chatterati” in parts of London, the Midlands and Yorkshire, and deliberate ignoring of everywhere else?

    I doubt it – any intervention would attract howls of protest. It does not fit with the modern press and media agenda, nor that of professional commentators.

    A small fact, according to the BBC Election Special programme the 2005 election.  41 of all 650 parliamentary constituencies have ethnic minority populations of more than 5% (I have the video on my hard disk, but the original page is no longer live).  Clearly, there is a great range of values of those 41 constituencies, with Leicester soon to become a majority ethnic population, but even so it is thought provoking.

    I don’t belong to any political party, and am fairly sure I never will.  But by the Lord if ever I were to campaign for any political party it would be called something like “the voice of the silent majority is worth  listening to and not ignoring”.  Not a very good title.

  • Russell Kennedy

    As one who had the privileg of campaigning in Cannock Chase constituency on Saturday, many resident s I spoke to were appalled by Mr Burley’s comments. They feel that he’s an absolute embarrasment to himself, his party, and more importantly, to the people of Cannock Chase. What is more, when discussing the issue with x-servicemen who were collecting signatures to save their local regiment, they were shocked and disgusted that such a person as Mr Burley should be their MP, and many of them were naturally inclined to support the Conservative Party.     

  • http://twitter.com/joejervis89 Joe Jervis

    Very few people will disagree with any of this. Multiculturalism exists, it can’t be debated, it’s there, so it’s a case of how we react to it. As left of centre types, we embrace diversity ideologically, but we cannot expect all others to celebrate the unknown and different; this is not human instinct. Labour needs a more active approach to help bring people from different cultures to encourage them to learn from each other.

    Here’s my article from last year on the subject: http://labourlist.org/2011/10/labour-must-end-self-destructive-laissez-faire-social-liberalism/

  • Reema

    Dear all,
    Dear all,
    Firstly I’m delighted that this post provoked such discussion and debate. My apologies that I have taken so long to respond since it was posted – this was a question of time rather than a question of any reluctance to get involved in the debate.
    The first thing I suppose I should say is that I am a woman – so the pronoun ‘she’ would be preferable to ‘he’.
    The second point I would like to address is by referring to the title. The point I am making is that there has been no intentional attempt to ‘change’ British society, or to ‘force’ strangers upon anybody. That is really why I am saying that multiculturalism is not a policy or an ideology – but the consequence of a range of factors that have accelerated movement into (and; people often forget this – out of, then back into) the country. It is also a consequence of the fact that many people are British born (such as myself) but have been born into migrant families and backgrounds. So in many instances, calling such individuals ‘strangers’ to British society rather begs the question.
    As for whether multiculturalism is a good or a bad thing – there was no suggestion it was one or the other. That would require thinking it was an ideology that was to be agreed or disagreed with. As I mentioned, I think it is a fact of life in British society.
    As someone who has campaigned vigorously on matters such as female genital mutilation, forced marriage and equal marriage, this post was definitely not an attempt to shut down debate on some very important issues relating to the rights of some women and to the rights of some individuals who grow up in diverse communities. But the important question is what our response should be in these circumstances.
    We would be shirking our responsibility as a liberal democratic British society if we thought the answer to this particular problem was to have fewer people from different cultures and to actively pursue this as a policy; rather than to do what we currently do – which is to ensure that people have adequate protection both in practice and under the law if they need refuge.
    Understanding that people have particular needs and that we need to provide for them – such as social care where the care worker can actually be understood by the recipient of care, or hospital food which is vegetarian, or translation services in court; is not quite the same thing as requiring the ‘host’ culture to ‘contort’ itself. This kind of understanding actually facilitates integration and is not a barrier to it. This kind of understanding is also what politicians vitally need in modern day Britain and a reason for why I found Aidan Burley’s remarks so disappointing. I am not arguing for any policy of increased migration. I am arguing for politicians to be aware of the world they live in, as it is, here and now, and to be aware of the diverse needs of the people that pay their wages.
    As for the remarks on Asian communities – I would say that Asian communities in and of themselves have significant cultural differences, and yes, cultural similarities. Many of these differences are linguistic, many are religious and many are cultural. There are over 300 languages in India alone. It is for this reason that most Asian radio networks that I can think of are entirely in English (with the exception of the music). This doesn’t quite square with the remarks that many migrants have ghettoised themselves, and haven’t made an effort to learn English.

    • Bill Lockhart

       ”Understanding that people have particular needs and that we need to
      provide for them – such as social care where the care worker can
      actually be understood by the recipient of care, or hospital food which
      is vegetarian, or translation services in court; is not quite the same
      thing as requiring the ‘host’ culture to ‘contort’ itself”

      But it is. If  British citizens will not learn one of the three official languages of the UK they should pay for their own translators. Why should they be provided at public expense? If I emigrate to China, would it be reasonable of me to expect to live, work and use public services whilst continuing to speak only English for decades? Would it be reasonable of me to expect English translators to be available to me indefinitely?  Of course not. Such accommodation is only expected from and by the self-flagellating British.

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