Farage is right: the UK is not a self governing nation (but not in the way he sees it)

August 2, 2012 1:14 pm

Everyone’s favourite damp-rag bashing rumbustious politician Nigel Farage has been at it again, claiming today that he “could not care less” who wins the next general election as the UK. “The penny is beginning to drop [...] that we are no longer a self-governing nation” he continued.

On the latter point I agree with Farage. The difference is that I disagree about the reasons, because of course Farage blames Brussels. Yes, Brussels is to a certain extent a constraint. But there are many other constraints too, and the problem is that we never speak about those – because any politicians who understand those constraints would never dare.

Even if Farage were to get his wish and the UK were to leave the European Union there would still be masses of external constraints, not least from the EU (still). These points are developed further here. In short: in a globalised world the big players set the standards, and the UK on its own would not be big enough to be a big player.

Secondly, there are a whole range of reasons why the UK people are not properly self-governing – internally. Bawn (et al) at Georgetown have advanced a new theory of political parties as representatives of narrow interests, not the interests of the people. It’s well worth a read – PDFhere. The question to ask is whether elections (and hence indeed our political system) are set up in the interests of the people of the UK, as opposed to special interest groups. That same accusation could be levelled at the EU institutions too.

Set all of that in the context of the UK election system which favours the two main parties and forces both towards the centre (and does not assist parties like UKIP and the Greens). This means a general election is only decided in the 1/6th of the constituencies anyway, and all that on the basis of less than 2% of the population being members of political parties and election turnout at around 60% in general elections and 30-40% at second order elections… All of this is examined in depth in the latest Democratic Audit.

In short: there are many challenges to the ability of the UK to self-govern. Farage is talking about one of them, but there are many more – but no-one has the incentive to talk about any of the others or to address them.

This post was originally published here.

  • Redshift

    *Sigh* And there I was thinking you were going to say the banking industry. 

  • Touching Cloth

    The good thing about Farage is that he can take a drink.

    • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

      He certainly possesses the common touch. I admired Farage’s decision to take his G.E. campaign to the pubs – on the grounds that “every pub is a parliament”.

      Can’t imagine Labour’s high-ups doing the same – they’d be too worried about offending the scallops and celeriac purée tendency.

      • Winston_from_the_Ministry

         I’d love to see it though.

        Imagine the sheer awkwardness of it >:).

      • Redshift

        Common touch? Farage? Seriously? 

        • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

          His “politicians and bankers are in an unholy alliance against the people” tirade would surely find a populist echo.

          And you get the feeling that, unlike Cameron, he has actually ordered a pint in pub.

          • Redshift

            I get the feeling he hangs around countryside pubs, moaning about the EU and foxhunting, before popping over to the cricket club for scones and jam and a chinwag with the aging secretary of the local conservative association and a couple of masons, one of whom is chair of the rotary club this year….

            Doesn’t really strike me as a man of the people. 

          • http://twitter.com/robertsjonathan Jonathan Roberts

            I think countryside pubs and village sports teams form a big part of the backbone of rural life (millions of people live in the countryside, afterall).  And Rotary Clubs do fantastic charitable work up and down the country.  So actually hanging around a rural pub or cricket pavillion with people who do charity volunteer work sounds like the kind of thing a ‘man of the people’ would do.

            Unless, of course, you’re a bigot who thinks you can only be a ‘real’ person if you’ve worked down the pit.

          • http://twitter.com/youngian67 Ian Young

            When Minder was devised Denholm Elliot was considered for the Arthur Daley role as a slightly more middle class spiv doing dodgy deals down his Surrey golf club. For some reason Farage always springs to mind when I hear this story.

    • Brumanuensis

      The bad thing is that afterwards he tries to fly planes.

      (I know, I’m a terrible human being).

  • Brumanuensis

    I would add that the UK is constrained by a wide range of non-EU international treaties and these are unlikely to be abrogated any time soon, which further constrains ‘national sovereignty’.

  • http://twitter.com/youngian67 Ian Young

    Farage
    is an 18th neo-liberal who believes economics operate in a separate box
    to political sovereignty. As far as UKIP are concerned Britain or
    the EU does not relinquish enough control to the winds of global
    capitalism and finance. At least the French Gaullist right have a narrative
    about protecting key national industries. Farage has no narrative about
    how a nation best retains levers of economic sovereignty on a UK or
    on a pooled international basis.
     

    • http://www.facebook.com/alan.sloan.7 Alan Sloan

      >>Farage has no narrative abouthow a nation best retains levers of economic sovereignty on a UK or
      on a pooled international basis<<

      And neither has anyone else in politics. Quite odd. Why is that?

  • http://twitter.com/youngian67 Ian Young

    As far as UKIP are
    concerned Britain and the EU does not relinquish enough control to
    the winds of global capitalism and finance. Farage is an 18th
    neo-liberal who believes economics lives in a separate box to
    political sovereignty. Unlike French Gaullist Euro-sceptics, UKIP
    has no narrative about how a nation best retains levers of economic
    sovereignty on a UK or on a pooled international basis.
     

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