What’s Labour’s answer to the Tories’ likely election – renegotiate – referendum on the EU approach?

July 17, 2012 2:08 pm

So William Hague has launched the FCO review of the competences of the EU (essentially, an examination of the powers the EU has an how they are used).

It’s no surprise that just a few days earlier the EU Fresh Start group of Tory MEPs released its 200+ page PDF ‘Green Paper’ that is a first stab at examining the very same issue. Once you get beyond the nationalist rhetoric at the start the document is actually a reasonably forensic effort to work out what demands a future Tory government could make if the party is serious about demanding the repatriation of powers from the EU to the UK.

The alarm bells for any Labour-leaning reader start on page 119 with the section entitled “Social and employment law” – essentially an all out assault on the Working Time Directive and Temporary and Agency Work Directive.

Why does this matter to Labour?

It seems to me that the Tories are lining up an election – repatriate – referendum strategy, promising a referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU in their 2015 election manifesto but with a commitment to repatriate powers first, increasing the chances of a vote to stay in the EU. Social and employment law (along with some Justice & Home Affairs and Financial Services legislation) would be top of the Tories’ shopping list.

This poses a dual challenge for Labour.

If Labour were to reject the repatriation call it puts the party at odds with public opinion (as neatly summed up by Peter Kellner), while if it welcomes power return then the repatriation debate will focus on the very aspects of EU law that are vital to progressives – employment and social protection, even if Labour’s own record on this was far from stellar in government.

This then makes Labour’s position about whether to call for a referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU very complicated. While I personally remain resolutely opposed to the idea of holding a referendum on this issue, even I must acknowledge the chance such a vote will be held are increasing, especially with grandees such as Peter Mandelson calling for it.

In short: if Labour proposes a straight in-out vote, the party would be trumped by the Tories playing their renegotiate card. Yet if Labour countenances renegotiation some of the most progressive aspects of EU law would be the ones called into question.

This difficulty is perhaps the reason why senior Labour MEP David Martin has called on the European Commission to undertake its own report to countenance Hague’s FCO review – Labour does not even look like it knows where to start when it comes to dealing with the Tories’ EU policies just now. The danger is the longer Labour keeps silent, the more the UK-EU debate is dominated by a right wing agenda. Ultimately Labour is playing with fire.

  • Cari_esky

    The Tories should know they signed up to most of the EU laws that govern
     us.  

  • Hugh

    “This then makes Labour’s position about whether to call for a referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU very complicated.”

    Maybe it would simplify the question to ask whether the public should be given a right to decide on the country’s relationship with EU (and even perhaps the social and employment laws that govern them), rather than on whether it would benefit Labour or policies that you happen to support.

    • http://twitter.com/jonworth Jon Worth

      But it’s not as simple as saying “ask people” – there are many different ways to ask people, with different combinations of questions, each with different pros and cons. That is what I was trying to outline. What do you want? Simple in/out? Multi choice? Renegotiate?

      • treborc

         Well yes if your going to ask people to vote why not make it simple and honest, are we in or are we out, or do not ask the question in the first place.

      • Hugh

         You didn’t seem to be asking how we should ask people; you were asking whether we should ask, and you you seemed to be evaluating the question principally according to Labour’s party political advantage and whether the democratic process here would then lead to policies you didn’t favour.

  • http://twitter.com/ElliotBidgood Elliot Bidgood

    Interesting article, Jon, but I personally do think we need a referendum, while on the question of the implications of a repatriation debate for us, I see it as an opportunity for Labour and for pro-EU advocates. Here’s why- there’s plenty of policy areas in which people hate the impact of EU law on the UK, immigration being a prime example, and it’s that sort of thing that drives British Euroscepticism. But while I understand why the Tories dislike EU employment regulations, I can’t think of a way in which they could more easily own-goal themselves in a debate on the EU than to start publically arguing “Brits, aren’t you sick of all those Brussels bureaucrats attempting to guarantee you decent pay, reasonable hours and holidays?” Why start off by picking on almost the only aspect of EU law most people could plausibly like?

  • http://twitter.com/ElliotBidgood Elliot Bidgood

    Interesting article, Jon, but I personally do think we need a referendum, while on the question of the implications of a repatriation debate for us, I see it as an opportunity for Labour and for pro-EU advocates. Here’s why- there’s plenty of policy areas in which people hate the impact of EU law on the UK, immigration being a prime example, and it’s that sort of thing that drives British Euroscepticism. But while I understand why the Tories dislike EU employment regulations, I can’t think of a way in which they could more easily own-goal themselves in a debate on the EU than to start publically arguing “Brits, aren’t you sick of all those Brussels bureaucrats attempting to guarantee you decent pay, reasonable hours and holidays?” Why start off by picking on almost the only aspect of EU law most people could plausibly like?

    • http://twitter.com/jonworth Jon Worth

      I wish I could agree with you – because these things are framed by the Tories (and not by Labour) at the moment. Labour would need to up its game, and go  - look folks, the Tories are denying you a bunch of rights that are guaranteed by the EU, and that’s because the EU does good. Can you hear Douglas Alexander saying that? I can’t.

      Admittedly part of the point of writing this piece was to try to make some more Labour people think that way though!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

    I think any referendum (and generally, I’m opposed to them) will have to offer an alternative to continued membership of the EU. The Tories problem is that they would like to offer an alternative which doesn’t exist ( a Common Market), but they haven’t actually suggested anything in place of continuing EU membership.

    I can’t say that I’m enthralled at recent EU directions, which have been too much in the neo-liberal direction, but there doesn’t appear to be any alternative

    • https://mikestallard.virtualgallery.com/ Mike Stallard

      EFTA?Both Norway and Switzerland (which I have visited in the last couple of years) and Iceland (which I haven’t) seem to be doing rather better than we are. Macdonalds and a Coke in Norway cost us over £100 for four people.

      • http://twitter.com/jonworth Jon Worth

        Because of a whole bunch of other factors – like oil, better trained workforces, secret banking systems etc.

        There is also the democracy vs. economy question which I’ve examined more here.

        • Homfray

          There really is no comparison with the already-rich countries of Norway and Switzerland – both have small populations, no unemployment, and the issues Jon has raised. EFTA isn’t actually on offer and it would involve signing up to exactly the same restrictions. The fact that there are no comparative countries on Europe outside the EU says it all.

          • https://mikestallard.virtualgallery.com/ Mike Stallard

            What a gutless couple of posts!
            Of course EFTA is on offer!
            Small populations, no unemployment, better trained workforces, secret banking systems (!!!) heavens! If that is all the excuse you need to become a rich nation with an excellent welfare provision, then let’s do it!
            (Why is a small population a good thing? I though we were meant to have a vibrant multi culture??)

          • Hugh

            Curiously the significant difference being a small country makes is rarely mentioned when it comes to being told that we should mimic the high-tax economies of Scandinavia.

          • https://mikestallard.virtualgallery.com/ Mike Stallard

            Switzerland, the last time I looked was right in the centre of the world (the euro world that is).

          • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

            “I though we were meant to have a vibrant multi culture?”

            Why should  multi-cultural experience be linked to population size? I recently visited Norway and was happy to encounter a multi-cultural life similar to our own: a pervasive enthusiasm for African-American music and dance forms, an interest in Inuit kayak design, fanaticism for the UK’s football Premier league, Arabian belly dancing, Japanese food, the list goes on and on…

          • https://mikestallard.virtualgallery.com/ Mike Stallard

            Poor little country! Not at the Centre of Europe and on the Top Table Making Decisions.

    • Hugh

       The alternative is not being a member. To my knowledge there are countries that are not in the EU, and I’m unsure why a country that has a balance of payments deficit with virtually every other EU member state would have remarkable problems enjoying tarriff-free trade.

      • Mike Homfray

        There aren’t any comparable countries – so what would be your actual alternatives? It’s just not good enough assuming, Micawber-like, that ‘something will just turn up’

        • Hugh

          The alternative is that, as one of the world’s significant economies and a major market for the likes of the Germans and French we negotiate a free trade deal with the EU. The idea that we must wait to be offered access through EFTA is nonsense; why would they offer it unless we demand it? Why, when, as I’ve said, we buy more stuff from Europe than we sell there, should this not be possible?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

    I think any referendum (and generally, I’m opposed to them) will have to offer an alternative to continued membership of the EU. The Tories problem is that they would like to offer an alternative which doesn’t exist ( a Common Market), but they haven’t actually suggested anything in place of continuing EU membership.

    I can’t say that I’m enthralled at recent EU directions, which have been too much in the neo-liberal direction, but there doesn’t appear to be any alternative

  • https://mikestallard.virtualgallery.com/ Mike Stallard

    Allow me to translate. I am, by the way, a Tory Troll so stop reading now.
    “It seems to me that the Tories are lining up an election – repatriate – referendum strategy.” Well, maybe. But this is much deeper than that.Imagine if I were to say that Labour are planning to increase spending on poor families and that  ”It seems to me that Labour are lining up an election strategy. ” Wouldn’t you be outraged? You believe deeply in helping the poor and the election has nothing to do with that. It is a matter of principle.

    Two seconds on any Tory blog (Dan Hannan? John Redwood?) will convince you that there is a mass of very angry voters out there who would, please, like our country back. We also believe that you cannot “repatriate” powers from Berlaymont. It is like asking you, dear reader, to ban the Durham Miners’ Gala. It is not going to happen. (Remember the acquis communautaire).

    The Foreign Office, for whom Mr Hague works, in no way wants either to limit Europe or to question it. The poor  little fellow is responding to a huge tidal wave of public opinion. In that sense, of course, your words ring very true.

    “It seems to me that the Tories are lining up an election – repatriate – referendum strategy, “

  • http://allectus-allectus.blogspot.com Allectus

    An in-out referendum in the next few years is unavoidable. 

    All we have to do is wait for the EU to make the first moves towards political union, which Germany still insists is a precondition for full fiscal and economic union. This will require major treaty changes and trigger a referendum. Even if an initial referendum is restricted to acceptance or rejection of specific treaty changes, a rejection would be followed by an ultimatum from the EU because such changes are seen as vital for the survival of the European project.

    So the in-out referendum will come whether Cameron, Labour or the LibDems want it or not, and the British people will reject political union, just as they will see through any bogus compromise deal that the EU is likely to offer us. 

    Like it or not, Britain will be leaving the EU within the next few years.   

  • PeterBarnard

    Well done, Jon W, on responding to the comments on your article.

    The fundamental problem for today’s generation of Conservatives is that, essentially, the EU is based on a collectivist philosophy. For these people, ” … an ever closer union …” (which phrase was in the Treaty of Rome signed in 1956) is anathema.

    The UK government applied for membership of the then EEC for purely selfish reasons. It saw the economic growth of the then “original six,” compared that growth with its own record and took an entirely selfish view that there would be domestic advantage for the UK to join the EEC. The underlying reasons for “Europe” (espoused by Jean Monnet, Paul-Henri Spaak and Robert Schuman) passed by both the UK government and the UK people.

    Having said that, I don’t think that Ted Heath had such a selfish view ; he had actually witnessed the devastation and immense human tragedy of WW2 and for him, it was “never again.”

    Personally, I hope that the EU does succeed in going on towards “an ever closer union” ; almost certainly, that will lead to a federated Europe. All that is required is a sense of logic, a remembrance of history over the centuries (especially the disastrous first half of the 20C) and the compassion that fired Monnet, Spaak and Schuman after WW2.

    As I look at the Conservative views on Europe these days, I am reminded of J K Galbraith’s observation that, “The modern conservative is engaged in in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy ; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness” (which has also applied to their domestic policies since 1979).

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