We shouldn’t apologise for our immigration record

January 23, 2012 2:09 pm

Labour has recently joined the Tories in drawing up a mea culpa for our record in Government. Some of these have a degree of merit. For example, Labour did not rebalance our economy; and Labour allowed many of the gains it made in social welfare and fairness, alleviating poverty for children and pensioners, to be so easily stripped away by this Tory-led Coalition. But our immigration policy should not be included in this list.

Labour did take action on immigration. It introduced an Australian-style points system as well as citizenship test. Yet by the end of our time in government, the dialogue had changed and all sides are calling for caps on immigration.

Yet we must recognise that immigration, far from being economically destructive to British people, has helped our economy. People came to Britain because of our booming economy from 1997-2007 and it is also, in part, because of them that the economy was booming. Measured economic migration helps the economy. Cameron, cutting student visas as far and as fast as he is cutting the economy, should remember this in the difficult economic situation that we now face.

Each year immigrants to the UK contribute 0.15% to our economy. This is no small matter – £2.18bn in 2010 in fact. If you measure the benefit in absolute contribution to GDP, the numbers will be even higher. With such meagre GDP figures being released, this 0.15% could well be the difference between positive and negative growth in the provisional 2011 release.

As a result, in an open letter to the Chancellor, Jonathan Portes writes that:

“There a simple way the government could boost growth not just in the short term but over the medium to long term, too, while reducing the deficit. That is to reverse the damaging restrictions the government has introduced on skilled immigrants and on students from outside the European Union.”

In his argument he even cites the Treasury’s own analysis which “implies that the cap on skilled migrants will knock between £3bn and £4bn off the UK’s GDP by the end of this parliament.” Cutting immigration, while popular, won’t free up jobs for British workers, instead, it could widen the deficit, causing more pain to families that are already squeezed.

Even more importantly, a NIESR study released last week has shown that there is no correlation between British unemployment and immigration, dispelling the myth of people taking ‘our jobs’. The NIESR concludes that there is:

“A lack of any significant correlation between migrant inflows and changes aggregate claimant count rates, in line with the general message emerging from previous research that migration has had generally negligible effect on unemployment rates.”

The point is that we cannot argue cause and effect at all when it comes to employment and immigration.

Further, Labour ministers were right to say that immigrants to the UK are, in fact, employed in jobs that British workers do not want, filling the gaps not just at the unskilled end of the market but at the professional end too. Data from the University of Oxford Migration Observatory show that immigrant are more likely to be employed in food preparation and cleaning than any other occupation in the unskilled end and in health, research and IT in the skilled end of the economy. With the fall in the number of British-born people reading science at university, it is no wonder that it is immigrants who are filling these occupations. As immigrants fill jobs that British people will not or are unable to take up, the NIESR report says:

“For a long period in the 2000s the overall UK employment rate was at the highest sustained level in recorded economic history, at the same time as immigration was also at historically very high levels”

However, no matter what their contribution, immigrants also take little back in return as another NIESR study has shown. This second study says “migrants overall impose somewhat less than proportionate costs on public services”.

Of course the debate is much more complicated than simple economics and we must remember the impact that excessive immigration has on the fabric of communities and the difficulties it can cause with housing. However, simplifying the argument to one which pivots on British jobs being taken away from British workers and immigration as a drain our economy is not only socially explosive but fundamentally incorrect as well.

  • Daniel Speight

    There are people who still refuse to believe the Mrs. Duffy problem. We talk about youth unemployment, yet in London when we call for a plumber or an electrician in we now expect him to be Polish or from another East European country. You see the Mrs. Duffys live in the real world and they understand that although the high immigration may have helped growth, it came at a cost in wage levels and eventually jobs.

    Spin all you want, but immigration is not a principle, anti-racism is.

    • Anonymous

      Well lets look at that my  housing association has just employed six workers, funny not one of them is Polish, they employed  Soldiers with disabilities.

      Now then pick up the phone book call a funny looking picture of a plumber and you will get a polish plumber who will tell you he charges £20 an hour.

      By me houses are being built by  a large housing company out side on the road the contracts are in the main Polish with vans which have come from Poland, I worked for this company for thirty  years so talking to the foreman who I’ve know for thirty years he told me the electrician are charging ten pound an hour  cash in hand, he said so long as they sign the book for their money he does not care, the painter is charging £40 a day with material.

      he said of course all the material these people use is coming from Poland all new houses are painted cream, the electrical stuff   has an EU sticker and meets the regulations but cost half as much as it does here.

      That how you get cheap these people will be off home in a few months  taking with them the money they made no stamps no tax and away 

  • Anonymous

    The economy  was booming yes we all heard the explosion, the economy was not  booming you used the public sector to make a boom you lied through your teeth about how many people came and you build nothing to house them.

    Now you have to try and get a party elected that allowed so many to come here to try and social engineer a political win and it failed as the vast majority of people turned away from you.

    New labour lied and did not even know when to stop from wars to immigration.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christhegoth Chris ‘thegoth’ Wilcox

    Yes we should apologise for our immigration policies.

    Gordon Brown suggested a points-based system at Election 2010, as he was forced to by an angry electorate.  And much as Frank Fields’ figures on ‘new jobs to foreigners’ were discredited many jobs did end up in foreign hands. People from Europe.  As our border with them is still wide open.  They only need a job waiting for them to come here.

    And our local employers are ordering in from Europe more and more from what I have heard and read.  Higher skilled staff willing to work for lower wages.  And the end result is a million-odd of our kids unable to get work as they did not do that well at school, and have no jobs to go into.  Due to higher skilled foreigners taking them.

    I’m not against immigration.  But there has to be some level of control.  Cameron is taking it waaaaay too far sure, but Blairs’ open door policy was too far the other way.  Gordon Brown had a credible answer.

    A points based system on non-EU immigration would allow us to get those lovely students for example.  Whilst keeping out unwanted economic migrants.

    And a separate, slightly different, points based system on the EU border would mean our local kids get a better chance of getting that first job on the ladder.  The one you need to learn your skills in the workplace if you did badly at school.  As it would force local employers ( typically Private Sector ) to employ and train locally.  As they won’t be able to order in from Europe and ignore local needs.

    Some foreign skills are useful.  In some places they’re even vital.  But if we get too many we get problems.  It’s a balance.  Not one extreme or the other.

    ~

    The Tory quotas do not work.  But nor did Blairs’ system.

    • http://twitter.com/Newsbot9 Newsbot9

      “And the end result is a million-odd of our kids unable to get work as they did not do that well at school”

      Prove it. The studies show the opposite, that there is no substantial effect.

      And the system has “points” now. But it’s rejecting people who go to America on O1 “superstar” Visa’s.

      • http://www.facebook.com/christhegoth Chris ‘thegoth’ Wilcox

        Oh jesus, not you again *rolls eyes*

        • http://twitter.com/Newsbot9 Newsbot9

          Oh noes! An actual left winger is criticising your far-right calls!

          No, it’s perfectly reasonable to exclude people with 20 years experience, and on whose entry 35+ UK high-skilled jobs depend.

          Well, never mind. A whole 7 of the proposed lineup are still living in this country, most of them went to Canada. Where our industry is thriving.

          • Anonymous

            http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2011/01/24/foreign-immigrants-take-20-000-new-jobs-in-west-midlands-66331-28037405/

            There are some stats for the   studies which Newsbot never mentions..Immigrants take 20k jobs whilst unemployment soars in the Midlands.

            From the Guardian:

            “Broader Office of National Statistics (ONS) figures put those figures in context. Total employment in Britain has risen by just over 2.5 million since Labour took office in 1997, from 26.444 million to 28.986 million. Employment among people born in the UK has risen by nearly 800,000, from 24.468 million to 25.259 million. Employment among UK citizens has risen by 1.2 million from 25.478 million to 26.691 million.”

            Which means that :
            2.5million new jobs were created
            1.3 million of them were filled by immigrants

            http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/10/foreigners-immigration-jobs-ons 

            Newsbot said:
            “Prove it. The studies show the opposite, that there is no substantial effect.”

            As usual, he/she is lying.

          • http://twitter.com/Newsbot9 Newsbot9

            As usual, it is making up nonsense to justify it’s fish-bowl view of the world.

            Anecdotes from newspapers are not the same as data.

            Moreover, SO WHAT some “immigrants” (many of whom, due to how the data is counted, are British citizens) have taken some jobs. OHNOES CLOSE THE BORDERS!

            In reality, this is a connected world. Refuse to allow skilled immigrants from other countries in, as the current system is doing, and jobs will go elsewhere. Which is what’s happening…your hatred for this country is, as usual, amazing.

            (And of course you’re sacrificing all the downstream jobs from there, many of which would be filled by Citizens…)

            Of course anything other than someone with the Tory line, like you and thegoth over there is lying. After all, party dogma says that those dirty immigrants are stealing your jobs, and thinking differently to party dogma is a thoughtcrime.

          • Anonymous

            Anecdotes from newspapers are not the same as data. 
            Well really.. you can’t be bothered to read again..

            The quote from the Guardian was from the the ONS.. 

            You can’ get any better than that.  Anecdotes indeed.

          • http://twitter.com/Newsbot9 Newsbot9

            Your OTHER quote, of course. You’re being disingenuous on purpose again.

            Moreover, you’re claiming things of ONS statistics they don’t show. Again.

            Keep trying to cut this country off from the world, though.

          • Anonymous

            Let me explain it to you in simple words.

            Quotes from ONS:
            1.Total employment in Britain has risen by just over 2.5 million since Labour took office in 1997″..

            2.  Employment among UK citizens has risen by 1.2 million

            Therefore by simple arithmetic 2.5 – 1.2 = 1.3 Million non UK citizens have taken jobs.. Therefore by definition they are immigrants.

            You might try reading AND doing arithmetic . 

      • Anonymous

        Which studies? Perhaps you would care to share them with the rest of the class?

        • http://twitter.com/Newsbot9 Newsbot9

          Certainly, for you I can give you a special 200% of standard research fees, email me and let’s discuss.

          • Anonymous

            Lol that’s funny because it implies that you have done research work before and someone was actually dumb enough to pay you for it lol.

            Go on then stick your email addy on then I’ll pay you ten pence a day which is probably about double your worth. You can research causes of mental illness something you obviously have extensive experience with

  • Anonymous

    It is interesting that to defend immigration, the Left resorts to using the argument of the Right, that jobs are available but British workers simply don’t want them.

  • Anonymous

    It is interesting that to defend immigration, the Left resorts to using the argument of the Right, that jobs are available but British workers simply don’t want them.

  • Anonymous

    Quite right.

    I’d try not to mention it all, let alone draw attention to it by apologising.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a important to clarify what we mean by ‘economic benefits’. Increased immigration delivered the following (amongst other things):
     
     
     
    flexible work force- shut up and do what you are told! yes you will work ungodly hours, because a Brit wont, he/she has a family and actually wants a life, unlike you who is starting from scratch and will overlook what most people would refer to as ‘living’  in order to succeed.
     
     
     
    cheaper costs- you will work for far smaller salary because you live with 10 others in one room and your costs are low. It doesn’t matter that Brits have families, aspirations etc… – the only thing that matters is the employers profit margin because that’s how we measure a success in society.
     
     
     
    I immigrated to Britain in the mid 90s. I was welcomed and given opportunities. Only in the past year or so I am beginning to realise at whose expense these opportunities came.

    • Anonymous

      Ok Labour left in we think 3 maybe four million mainly Immigrants from Asia, we had a large number come to my area, but we already had a large number who set up shops and who set up restaurants, so where are the rest working they are not on building sites they are not in the retail outlets because we do not see them, I see them shopping and I see them  walking but working the simple answer is no.

      The fact is Labour let in more then we had jobs for, the open door policy was for god knows what, but I suspect it has back fired.

      You only need to pass our Polish set up Job center yes we have our own Polish and Asian Job centre to stop people coming into the English Job centre and to be honest  it was like the day the said a dentist was talking on NHS patients and six thousand people stood in line, so labour stated no more lines out side of dentist you had to phone.

      Good old labour

  • Anonymous

    “People came to Britain because of our booming economy from 1997-2007 and it is also, in part, because of them that the economy was booming.”
    Unfortunately this is not strictly true. An academic paper* co-written by a colleague of Jonathan Portes (one of the men behind Labour’s disastrous [sorry LabourList but we all know it was an unmitigated disaster] immigration policy)  has recently found that immigration did not soar because the economy was doing well. Rather, it soared because of ‘structural change’ which is a euphemism for what you and I call ‘opening up the floodgates’, i.e. the massive expansion of the work visa system which allowed pretty much anyone and everyone in. 

    *Reference: ‘The Drivers of International Migration to the UK: A Panel-based Bayesian Model Averaging Approach’, Mitchell, J., Pain, N., and Riley, R..  ’The 

    Equally unfortunately for the Left (who think/claim to care about the rights of working class people) is that the only people who have been detrimentally impacted upon are the lowest paid in society. 

    You really are a caring bunch.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.arrowsmith2 David Arrowsmith

    How is that a ‘skilled worker’ from Africa was working in an semi-skilled post in a care home in the UK, a position I could not obtain for myself; and why was this worker discovered to be leader of a genocide carried out in southern Africa? Why did an unemployed woman from Bulgaria remain here with a seriously disabled daughter while having NO ability to speak English at all? How did a girl from the Baltic’s spend a year living rough on the streets of Norwich before being given a flat and benefits? None of these people should be here they all should return home, they do give anything to our economy, they have no skills at all. Labour’s record of immigration is a vote losing disaster and their arguments so flawed that any Sun reader can see through them.

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