The picture George Osborne doesn’t want you to see

June 29, 2012 3:25 pm

Yesterday George Osborne turned on Bob Diamond, saying “We all want to hear his answers.”

But here’s George Osborne and Bob Diamond appearing together in happier times.

Cosy…

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  • http://twitter.com/rfenwick Robin Fenwick

    Cosy? That looks to me like a panel discussion at the World Economic Forum in Davos. I doubt either had any say on who the other members of the panel were. 

  • Hugh

    Seriously? The Chancellor of the Exchequer shared a platform with the head of one of the country’s largest banks at some point and you have the picture to prove it.

    Bravo.

  • Winston_from_the_Ministry

    Desperate.

  • Ruf

    Is this worse than giving Fred ‘The Shred’ a knighthood?

  • KonradBaxter

    Here’s another picture that OSBORNE DOESN’T WANT YOU TO SEE!!!111111!!!!!!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/mar/29/barclays-dilemma-viewpoint

    The scandal! It shows him at a event sittintg next to someone! The horror! Recall parliament! Get troops on the streets! 

  • Bill Lockhart

    Any evidence to support the allegation in the title?
    This site gets more like a 70s rag mag every week, only less funny.

    • Alan Giles

      Don’t read it then. Simples!

      • Bill Lockhart

         And give sanctimonious  “progressives” a free run? No fear.

        • John Dore

          Far be it for me to stand up for Alan, but if you are calling Alan a sanctimonious progressive I must take you to task. Alan is no progressive.

          • Bill Lockhart

             Hence the inverted commas. “Progressive” is leftist code for just how much more admirable, caring and modest they see themselves to be, compared to us more mundane types.

            Any news on where the “”doesn’t want you to see” allegation came from? I’m assuming it’s a fabrication.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

            Definitely psychological issues with people who spend endless hours on sites where they profess to hate the opinions expressed

          • Winston_from_the_Ministry

            Leave Treborc out of this.

          • Bill Lockhart

            Sorry, nothing I can do to bridge the gaping chasm between the conceivably-electable Right and contentedly-dilettante Left of the Labour party

  • John Dore

    Is there an ewx Sun reporter on the team now? What next a pair on the third page?

  • madasafish

    Given the shambles happened on Labour’s watch, the article is a nonsense.

    But so, what’s new?

  • Peter Barnard

    I think that you are on dangerous ground here (George O and Bob D picture).

    I remember Gordon Brown at the annual City of London dinner/Mansion House speech praising to the heavens the assembled City folk (round about 2006/2007?).

     I thought that this was particularly inappropriate, if not galling, given (i) Labour’s troubled and sometimes humiliating encounters with the finance sector, and (ii) Labour is supposed to represent the ‘labour’ element of the three factors of production (the other two being land and capital, and they were fully represented at the dinner).

    I do hope that no-one is able to access a recording of this speech via the net ; it would be somewhat embarrassing to see it referenced on LL for all to see.

    • jaime taurosangastre candelas

      Oh dear.

      (I appreciate Peter that you probably did not really want anyone to respond, but if you give me an open goal which has at the back of it, well over the line, a cardboard cut-out of Gordon Brown making a prize fool of himself, I am going to accept your un-offered invitation.  Other commenters do regularly also indulge their pet hatreds of politicians, so I feel little embarrassment).

      ”My Lord Mayor, Mr Governor, my Lords, Aldermen, Mr Recorder, Sheriffs, ladies and gentlemen.

      Over the ten years that I have had the privilege of addressing you as Chancellor, I have been able year by year to record how the City of London has risen by your efforts, ingenuity and creativity to become a new world leader.

      Now today over 40 per cent of the world’s foreign equities are traded here, more than New York: over 30 per cent of the world’s currencies exchanges take place here, more than New York and Tokyo combined, while New York and Tokyo are reliant mainly on their large American and Asian domestic markets, 80 per cent of our business is international, and in a study last week of the top 50 financial cities, the City of London came first.

      So I congratulate you Lord Mayor and the City of London on these remarkable achievements, an era that history will record as the beginning of a new golden age for the City of London.

      And I believe the lesson we learn from the success of the City has ramifications far beyond the City itself – that we are leading because we are first in putting to work exactly that set of qualities that is needed for global success:

      openness to the world and global reach, pioneers of free trade and its leading defenders, with a deep and abiding belief in open markets,

      champions of diversity in ownership and talent, and of flexibility and adaptability to change, and a basic faith that from wherever it comes and from whatever background, what matters is that the talent, ingenuity and potential of people is harnessed to drive performance. 

      And I believe it will be said of this age, the first decades of the 21st century, that out of the greatest restructuring of the global economy, perhaps even greater than the industrial revolution, a new world order was created.

      When my predecessors spoke to this event a century or more ago, the world order of the nineteenth century they described was defined by the balance of military power, and saw European empires dividing the world between them from 1945 to 1990 when my predecessors of the post war years spoke to you. 

      The world order was defined by the high-stake stand-off of the cold war years, these were orders ultimately reflected by political weight and military strength. 

      Today with Asia already out-producing Europe, India and China are becoming part of this new order, principally because of their economic strength and potential. And while military and political power retain their status, future strength will depend much more on economic strength.  Indeed success will flow to, and the next stage of globalisation will be driven by those countries:

      which are open and not closed, stable, pro competition and flexible, able to adjust quickly to change, and can as a result find – through their social and political cultures – the best means of developing and creating wealth through the scientific, creative, and entrepreneurial talent of their people, not least through being world class in education and skills.

      So why am I more optimistic than ever about the future of our islands, just one per cent of the world’s population, in this new era of globalisation?

      By your efforts Britain is already second to none: for our openness, pro Europe, pro free trade, a world leader in stability, and we will entrench that stability, by ensuring Britain’s macroeconomic framework remains a world benchmark, and we are flexible, and in being vigilant against complacency, we must be, as I believe we are ready to become even more flexible.

      So let me say as I begin my new job, I want to continue to work with you in helping you do yours, listening to what you say, always recognising your international success is critical to that of Britain’s overall and considering together the things that we must do – and, just as important, things we should not do – to maintain our competitiveness: enhancing a risk based regulatory approach, as we did in resisting pressure for a British Sarbannes-Oxley after Enron and Worldcom, maintaining our competitive tax regime, and having cut our main rate of corporation tax to again the lowest in the G8, today we are publishing the next stage of implementing Sir David Varney’s recommendations for a more risk based approach to the administration of the system, with greater certainty on tax matters when it’s needed most;

      and ensuring a modern planning system, that balances our economic and environmental needs with a more predictable and accountable decision making process, including that for major infrastructure projects.

      And because I recognise the benefits Crossrail would bring to the City, we are using every effort to find a solution to its affordability. I will ensure this work is stepped up but as you know the only financing solution that will work will require all parties – public and private – contributing significantly.”

      For those interested in seeing the full clip in all of its’ infamy, it is on http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist/ITN/2007/06/20/R20060702/?a=1&s=R20060702&v=0 . There is however a techno glitch – there are 7 clips on that webpage, and when you open it they all start playing simultaneously, at least on my Safari browser.  The one that you want is clip 3 of 7, but you need to mute or stop the others, or else the cacophony played simultaneously accurately reflects the amount of sense Gordon Brown normally makes.

      {I have formatted the text to suit as it did not import into my word processor very easily – if I have inadvertently altered any meaning by doing so, I apologise to Gordon Brown.}

      • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

        Don’t miss out on Brown’s 2006 speech, you’ll love it: 

        “… nurture the skills of the future, advance with light touch regulation,… ”

        “stability through a predictable and light touch regulatory environment ”

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2006/jun/22/politics.economicpolicy 

        As Owen Jones commented in today’s ‘i’ newspaper – the Westminster elite have behaved as if they were the political wing of the City of London.

        • Daniel Speight

          Much as I agree the New Labour governments should be held to account, it would be amiss not to go back to the root of recent problems in Nigel Lawson’s ‘Big Bang’ deregulation of the City in 1986. Then again, why should we leave out the Thatcher gurus of Milton Friedman and the Hayekian economists?

          • Peter Barnard

            Indeed, Daniel.

            One of the most damaging remarks ever made in the House of Commons in recent memory was Thatcher’s indirect admonition to Nigel Lawson, following the discovery of his “shadow the Deutschmark” policy : “You can’t buck the market.”

      • Peter Barnard

        Well, Jaime, if anyone was going to respond, it was you …

        My point was that the article was on dangerous ground, given GB’s address to the assembled City folk in (looks like ) 2007, and I give my reasons why.

        • jaime taurosangastre candelas

          Peter,

          I fully take your points.

          More to the issue, I recall myself feeling “uneasy” about the access to credit for the general public, and government finances from something like 2004 onwards, but I acknowledge that is a conceit perhaps only enjoyed if family income is more than adequate.  I recall our mortgage broker in the Cheltenham and Gloucester being very surprised that our mortgage application in 2003 for our home was less than a 2 times multiple of joint income, and urging us to think “bigger” – no doubt his commission would also have been bigger.  But as you know, I have an aversion to debt, so perhaps am biased or even paranoid.

          How many people listening to GB’s speech – people working at the top level in the City – were also feeling “uneasy” in late 2007, only a year from the crash?  I would be horrified if there were none – these people are paid very well to be very smart.  Or at least, they should be very smart.

          And as for the Chancellor himself, Mr Prudence himself, did he not not feel discomfort with the growth of the bubble, and did he try to do anything about it?  He was the man who was surrounded by the best and most neutral advice in the country.  How did this all happen?

          • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

            “I would be horrified ”

            And so you should be. Smartness is only valued as a means to make more money. The feeling of uneasiness – which I first sensed during 2001 – just intensifies short-termist imperatives, you have to be ready to jump before the ship sinks or, to put it another way, buy and sell over ever shorter cycles.

            Sure, a lot of people made a lot off money and now it’s the tax-payers that have to stump up.

            And there are fines for the latest round of anti-customer shenanigans – so let’s just think for a moment, where’s the money coming from to pay these fines… ? Oh, yes…

            That tells you how effectively they have deployed their smartness.

          • Peter Barnard

            Your uneasiness preceded mine by two or three years, Dave.

            I have now lost the letter that I wrote to GB around 2003/2004 in which I remarked (although I had no idea that the consequences would be as disastrous as they turned out to be) that unless steps were taken to correct the culture in the City of London, then Sir Howard Davies (then FSA chief and basically useless quangocrat) would one morning wake up with a headache that no amount of aspirin would cure.

            J K Galbraith, in his final words in “The Great Crash 1929″ had it right :

            “But now, as throughout history, financial capacity and political perspicacity are inversely correlated. Long-run salvation by men of business has never been highly regarded if it means disturbance of orderly life and convenience in the present. So inaction will be advocated in the present even though it means deep trouble in the future. Here, at least equally with communism* lies the threat to capitalism. It is what causes men who know that things are going quite wrong to say that things are fundamentally sound.”

            * The Great Crash was written in 1954 when, for some, communism was regarded as a tenable economic alternative.

          • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

            At the time (2001) I was working in the construction/property game. We’d often remark: “This can’t carry on for much longer”. But it did carry on for a few more years and continually we were advised to borrow more money (cash flow can sometimes be problematic in construction and banks make big money for lending). And if we didn’t borrow more our credit-worthiness would be impaired so may not be able to get funds they were really needed.

            Then as things began to slow up in mid-decade the advice was to go to Spain – the new construction El Dorado. With as much credit available as was needed and local Mayors very accommodating, quite a few companies set up there. And bank balances were soon busting with fast bucks; of course, we know how that little episode has ended.

            Perhaps a few of the ‘miscreants’ responsible for the latest upset will be publicly humiliated. But in truth, they’re only playing by established protocols and, impelled by ‘aspiration’, are maximising their personal advantage – that’s the ‘common sense’ of the neo-liberal era.

            The sooner we turn our back on it, the better.

          • Peter Barnard

            Jaime,

            I don’t think it would have made any difference who the Chancellor of the Exchequer happened to be. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the world and governments were in thrall to the “triumph of capitalism” and too many self-interested and self-serving people were in positions of power.

            Remember that feller “Dr Doom” (I forget his actual name) at Philips and Drew in the late 1990s who kept saying equity prices were massively over-valued? He was correct, but he also was fired.

            My response to Dave Stone (next box but one) is, I think, also relevant to your question, “How did all this happen?”

          • jaime taurosangastre candelas

            Peter,

            please don’t destroy my delusions into GB being somehow less than financially treasonous, or make him out to be just a run of the mill Chancellor caught up by events.  ”Could not happen to a nicer man”,  etc.  You may well be correct, but then I have to cast about for something both more amorphous and more deeply systemic to blame, and we all know that leads to fudge and greyness of conclusion.  GB is a convenient and formed target…  I will admit that he was right on the Euro, however.

            Having been very fair – to my detriment – I will also observe that “the buck stops here”, and that is something GB never seems to acknowledge.  In this little 3-way conversation between myself, yourself and Dave Stone, we all admit to feeling uneasiness between 2001-2004, and we are just three ordinary citizens.

            Far more important than me having a personal grudge against GB*** – however well or ill conceived – is the fact that a Chancellor of Britain was singing the praise of the City of London less than one year before this huge crash, having very largely been the approver of lighter regulation, and having himself gorged our public finances on debt.  I expect rather more vision and foresight of a Chancellor, particularly when backed by the collective wisdom of the advice he receives from both internal and external experts.

            *** And let’s not forget the gold, or the pensions raid, or the 10p tax, or the unimaginable expansion of PFI, or the creation of a whole new class of employed welfare dependents, or simply thinking that it is OK to spend more in times of surplus than you receive, and fail to put away anything for the “rainy day”…

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

            So was everyone else – that’s the problem. The free market nonsense which you profess to believe became something no-one criticised.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

            Well, we know that to be the case, because the Conservatives supported the deregulation and wanted even more of the same. It was very much the message of mk 1 Fukorama – that capitalism had won and we all needed more of it!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

        But you believe in all this free market nonsense, Jaime….

  • Daniel Speight

    Surely the title should be

    Another picture George Osborne doesn’t want you to see

    After all wasn’t that famous Bullingdon Club photo withdrawn from the public domain by someone buying its copyright.

    • treborc

       I love it the BBC had a picture painted so they could use it. you have to love it, politics at it’s best

  • Billsilver

    Gordon Brown was seen with Tony Blair once.
    Does that prove anything?

  • Billsilver

    Filthy stinking rich – P Mandelson’s attitude to wealth. 
    And now LabourList has adopted the same principles – for just above this comment column is an ad for FXORO, and the caption is ‘discover you can trade £40,000 for just £100′.
    Just the ticket!

    • Winston_from_the_Ministry

      I very much doubt it’s a directly purchased advert, much more likely it’s an Adsense unit and therefore displays different content depending on the user’s browsing history or the content of the page.

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