On Lords reform, I agree with Nick. So should you.

July 10, 2012 11:40 am

Okay, I’m getting confused. Explain this one to me.

Today we get the chance – the historic chance – to begin the process of removing once and for all a totemic, emblematic symbol of British inequality.

Yet Labour MPs seem to be turning their noses up at House of Lords reform, failing to support a democratic change we have been committed to as a party since Keir Hardie was first cultivating his bushy ‘tache.

You can understand my confusion. Last week Ed Miliband said we face:

‘a clear choice: to vote down [Lords] reform, or to back it. We will support reform.’

Amen to that. But wait, what this amounts to is support for the Bill that will wash about the Lords’ placemen and women and usher in a democratically-elected Upper House at Second Reading, but oppose the programme motion which sets out the Bill’s timetable. A classic case, then, of ‘Lord make me chaste, but not yet’.

So Labour MPs are poised to effectively scupper the Bill by failing to back it today, joining with a gaggle of reactionary Tories in the process.

Peter Hain set out the costs of doing so starkly in The Guardian yesterday:

“…this opportunity for reform must be grasped now. Any imperfections can be addressed in the future. But if this bill is not passed, fundamental reform won’t come around again in my lifetime, if ever.”

He quotes the late, great Robin Cook, saying Lords reform is like Waiting for Godot. It never arrives and some have become rather doubtful whether it even exists, but we sit around talking about it year after year.

What are Labour MPs waiting for? I understand the reservations about parts of the Bill, about the primacy of the of Commons, the potential for conflicts between two elected Houses, the value of the current model in providing an effective reforming chamber and all that jazz, but, really, this is a once-in-a-generation chance to enact a change that should have been made a century ago.

Ending our ‘legislature by appointment’ should be an article of faith for every Labour MP.

Quibbling about the amount of parliamentary time the Bill will take up, as some Labour people are to justify their opposition to this Bill, is perverse. It’s not our problem to worry about the government’s timetable and if it limits ministers’ scope to enact other crazy ideas then it’s surely a good thing?

“But no-one’s talking about it on the doorstep” is the other familiar cry from those who seem to want to make Labour ‘the stupid party’ of constitutional conservatism. The public don’t much like international development either. Shall we scrap the overseas aid budget?

David Blunkett described the Government’s Bill as “a dog’s dinner” while John Reid opposes it because he would prefer the Upper Chamber is abolished, rather than accept the current reforms. Both are valid points of view, but save them for undergraduate politics seminars. There should be no excuse for inertia from Labour people.

Right here, right now, we have a Bill that stands a chance of making a change we surely want to see but have been unable to deliver since the very founding of the Labour party.

And on this issue, right here, right now, Nick Clegg is on the side of the angels. While Labour MPs are today poised to trot through the division lobbies with Bill Cash and Nadine Dorries.

Yes, Clegg’s Bill can be improved – and there’s scope to do that – but the trouble with Lords reform is that the panoramic range of options – from abolition through to full or part election – always leads to sclerosis.

This dunder-headedness has frustrated reform for long enough. And we’ve been around the houses on this now for decades. I’ve heard the arguments for reform – and the counter-arguments against – so many times I can now recite everyone’s lines. It’s like listening to some bad old radio play.

With a 179-seat majority all we were capable of delivering in 13 years in government was the rather modest removal of the hereditary peers. And we didn’t quite manage that, leaving 92 of them in situ such was the stubbornness of those preening old turkeys who like making our laws but who wouldn’t, of course, vote for Christmas.

Actually, that’s not quite true. There is at least one election to the Lords. Whenever one of the 92 hereditaries pops his or her clogs the remaining 91 fill the role with one of the other exiled hereditary peers. The Natural Order of Things resumes.

This should make every Labour MPs’ blood boil. Actually it should enrage every democrat too. We’ve spent the last 15 years embroiled in conflicts around the world, telling all manner of countries from Iraq to Sierra Leone how to run their affairs democratically, yet back home we still allow people whose ancestors bought titles which they then inherited to make our laws.

Of course Labour’s positioning today is really all about low politics. The view seems to be that defeating Lords reform by joining with Tory malcontents will somehow start a chain reaction that will bring about the coalition’s demise.

Presumably in order for a Labour government to get elected with its usual (and always unfulfilled) pledge to reform the House of Lords?

This is the logic of the madhouse.

If damaging the government and curtailing its longevity is the main objective, then surely it is better to support the Lib Dems on this? Lords reform is the perfect ‘wedge’ issue between the coalition partners and would go a lot of good in rebuilding a progressive front between Labour and the Lib Dems in the bargain.

Before we are tempted to play silly beggars today – supporting the goal but opposing the means – we should ask ourselves what we are in business to do.

Are we really going to pass up an historic chance to make a change that has frustrated democratic campaigners for a century? Are we going to let this chance for reform slip through our fingers for another generation? If we are then, really, what’s the point?

  • treborc

    Because labour sees it as being more important  to break up the Tory coalition, nothing matters more then getting this partnership broken up because labour would then think we have an early election. Nothing matters more to labour then this.

    Your also right in a way that labour had thirteen years to sort this out, but it was a back boiler sort of problem, but now it could split the coalition.

    The coalition is the end all for labour.

    • Alan Giles

      I think you’re right. I also agree with Kevin’s article.

      The fact is, though, that it is not certain that if the coalition breaks up and there is a general election that Labour would in it.

      Certainly the LibDems will be decimated whenever the election is held whether that is three weeks or three years, but given the timidity of the Labour party at the moment, the facing two ways at once stance of the shadow ministers Byrne and Twigg, the similarity with policies on welfare etc etc, I don’t think Labour yet really know where they stand on a majority of issues.

      I still feel the most likely outcome for the next election, whenever it is held, will be another hung parliament with the Conservatives marginally ahead. Before this urges the poster with three names or the poster with one joke, to rush on here to call me a Tory – I am not saying that this is the result I WANT merely what seems likely.

      Before Labour trigger an election they want to make sure they know where they stand on the policies that matter and to offer a real alternative to the politics of despair.

      • Robert_Crosby

        I agree with pretty much all of this.  The likes of Twigg and Byrne appear to have adopted a ‘one more heave’ mentality – which is predicated on a complete embrace of failed Blairism and the acceptance of austerity as the only means to the end.

        It’s ironic that Byrne should pose as a “guardian of reason” when he is so much part of our problem.  Does anyone really think that the Tories and Lib Dems won’t go hell for leather on his stupid note in the next election campaign?  We all know we would.  

        The only renowned Blairite who has made any kind of fist of his brief has been Jim Murphy.  The likes of Jowell, Twigg and Byrne represent a failed past.  

        • Dan H

          Concentrate on the policy not the individuals or what part of the Labour Party’s broad church YOU think they represent.

          If you want to see Labour in government in 2015 stay remember who the enemy is – this Government and the damage they are doing to the country.

          • treborc

            Of course one government maybe as bad as the other , that is the problem, what the use of throwing out the Tories if the next do the same dam thing.

          • treborc

             Want a laugh here is one.

            A military school could be set up in every region of England under Labour to raise aspirations in poor areas.

            Shadow education secretary Stephen Twigg wants to see the
            armed forces and service charities helping to run so-called “service
            schools”.

            These would have a “distinct service ethos” and would employ qualified teachers, some with a forces background.

            They can then fight labour wars straight from school, labour will not get into power at the next election until  MIliband get rid of these idiots.

            We are not America for god sake.

            This was Browns idea….

          • Alan Giles

            Dan. You appear to be saying we should forget that Byrne supports the majority of the Freud Report, and though he supported it from day one when Purnell introduced it – he said nothing as terminal cancer patients lost their benefit – just to get “power” in 2015 we should turn a blind eye to the stupidity of LABOUR because the Coalition is “the enemy”. To the disabled and ill, I would put it to you that Byrne and indeed many sections of the shadow cabinet are equally “the enemy”

            We have to make up our minds – do we just want power so that we can continue with the failed policies of the last few years, implemented by Labour with the coalition merely continuing them, or do we want to resume our position of defending the less fortunate in society?

            If we want to prove we regret the past we cannot allow Byrne to continue in his current posts, however much he ducks, dives, twists and dissembles – a leopard doesn’t change it’s spots.

            The party with less than 3 years to an election must start saying what it is for, not just what it is against, and it has to stop trying to be all things to all voters. You need policies and principles to back them.

          • Dan H

            No, what I am saying is I would rather than have a Labour government than a Tory one or this Tory-led one.

            You are forgetting the good work that Labour did between 1997 and 2010 and blaming individuals – I am afraid I couldn’t disagree with you more.

          • Alan Giles

            I dare say you couldn’t “disagree with me more” but Iraq 2003 and the Welfare Reform Bill 2009 were so deplorable that it rather takes the shine off the good stuff. The minimum wage, admirable as it was, rather pales into insignificance when you think of the innocent lives lost, and the carnage  in the last 9 years and the distress Purnell & Brown caused to the disabled and seriously – in some cases – terminally ill by adopting Freud in 2009.

            I’d rather have a Labour government, too but a LABOUR government, not merely a right-wing Tory-lite one, which is what we had in the end. 

            To be frank, unless we repair some of the damage that CAN be repaired (removing poor and badly performing shadow ministers) it will be a case of many people preferring the devil they know in 2015.

          • Dan H

            Oh, please.

            Look, yes the Labour Government wasn’t perfect and it didn’t get everything right. But I am proud to have worked to get Labour in office in 1997 and to have campaigned to keep it there. The country we left in 2010 was in a lot better shape than the one in 1997.

            But if you honestly think that Labour was a lite version of the what we have now or what Thatcher and Major did then I am wasting my time in even attempting to have a rational debate.

            I don’t know about you, but between now and the next General Election I will be working to try to get the Labour Party re-elected. (Just so you can carp from the sidelines again no doubt). Signing off. 

          • Alan Giles

            Blair was equally as right wing as John Major. Perhaps more so.

            But as you have made it clear you don’t want to “waste your time having a debate”, I can only assume you have spat out your dummy and will not even consider the many things we got wrong, and which we still haven’t admitted to. Until Ed has the strength to do so – and to prove it is not mere words by sacking some frankly p!ss poor members of his shadow cabinet, I don’t think  he or you stands much chance of regaining the lost votes in three years time. More “wasted time” Dan.

          • Dan H

            There you go again, making totally stupid comments.

            As a Labour Party member I am proud that Tony Blair was Prime Minister (there you go, spit out your dinner in disgust).

            While you criticise Labour Shadow Cabinet Members I will be working with them and thousands of others across the country to get Ed Miliband into No 10 and a Labour Government elected once again

          • Alan Giles

            If you are so uncritical of unprincipled hypocrites, many of them expenses swindlers, you deserve all you get.

            I would be rather more particular and choosy.

          • treborc

            Good luck to you, some how I think you will need it.

          • aracataca

            We’ve been saying this on here for ages. He’s not listening. Everything is seen in personal terms and all the positive stuff done by Labour is ignored. It’s tedious, repetitive, circular and often descends into the personal abuse of anybody who challenges his view of things. You are wasting your time. 

          • treborc

            Never mind William I’m sure Bore will be here soon.

          • Alan Giles

            William, or whoever you are calling yourself today.

            Just wearing a red rosette doesn’t preclude you from critisism especially when caught red-handed house flipping, claiming for “expenses” for non-existant cleaning bills at the same time as such people are holding up their hands in horror at “benefit cheats”. What is the difference between a benefits cheat and an expenses cheat?. The only difference is one of scale – and do you need me to remind you of some of the MPs claims?

          • Robert_Crosby

            Okay, tell me what they stand for.  Convince me too that they empathise with the most vulnerable and the poorest who look to Labour to stand up for them?

  • http://www.youngfabians.org.uk/blog/ Louie

    Perhaps Labour is hoping for a repeat of the AV debacle, which first highlighted the real strains within the Coalition. Constitutional reform won’t split the coalition, but it may push the Lib Dems even further into the electoral wilderness if the reforms are rejected. Maybe Labour’s aim is to destroy the Lib Dems once and for all?  

  • GaryMG

    Because replacing one unfair system with another is not progress. Because we must have a referendum on this. Because a proper debate is needed and not a guillotine. Because Labour had a huge majority but sought consensus on Lords reform.

    @treborc, Labour do not need to agree with the coalition on the guillotine, let the LibDems back down on that issue and all is well. The LibDems are steam rolling this change through, they are the ones that need to listen.

    • aracataca

      You are of course completely right Gary. The Fibs want to steam roll this measure through and then claim credit for its ‘radicalism’.

      • Kevin

        Debate? We’ve been going on about this for a century! Time to act.

    • aracataca

      If this is such a radical move then we should have a proper and extensive debate about it. The Fibs don’t want this.

    • treborc

      I’m sorry but for labour this is about the break up of the coalition not lords reforms.

      • JoeDM

        And many Tories would like to see that together with the removal of the wet Cameroonian cabal at the top who are closer to the Limp Democraps than to their own party.

        • treborc

          Choices, minority government, I cannot see it myself, even if Mr Bone thinks it’s possible, election which could end up the Tories again asking the Liberal to form a  coalition, or worse the Tories win out right.

          For all the Polls right now I do not think the electorate is yet willing to trust labour, with Twigg coming out with Military schools with the Tories cutting back, parents will be thinking cheap recruits for wars.

        • Alan Giles

          Well, of course they do – which is why this is a true case of “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”

          We all know that right wing Tories are not happy with having to share power, so they can’t have all the trash Dr Fox and his pals would like enacted.

          The right wing Conservatives dislike the LibDems as much as Labour do – many Labour supporters seem to think that it would have been possible to have entered into coalition with LibDems even though there would not have been enough MPs for the numbers to stack up – even a Rainbow coalition wouldn’t have been enough we the really small parties at Westminster. I reckon now that even Blair’s most simpering admirers wishes Blair hadn’t broken his word on the deal with the LibDems back in 1997 (just one more thing Blair broke his word on early on)

          In a way the Conservatives can’t lose – the coalition fails and they will try to soldier on as a minority party, and then they will choose a really populist policy, get defeated in Parliament and go to the country pleading that they need a mandate. Or the coalition continues and the excuse will be that the Conservatives were held back by the LibDems. They vote with Labour to try to damage the coalition further, then when we are back to the real old two party system, with almost identical policies in so many areas, we will watch them slug it out with the old playground tit-for-tat tactics and a long period of hung parliaments. 

          • treborc

            Prescott what me in the house of Lords, do not make me laugh I’m working class, well where is he.

            I suspect a lot of ministers see the House of Lords as a sort of retirement pension plan for the g future, after all it hard to live on a pension of £45,000

            I suspect this is why no party has really bother with reforms.

      • aracataca

        As usual you are completely. We elect our MPs to make good laws. This Bill must be given time to be properly scrutinised, eg is it really right to allow some awful Fib Dem to sit in the Lords for 15 years without any recourse to the electorate who put him there. If it is right then Parliament should really look at that proposal seriously and in detail before allowing it to go through.  The principle of the reform of the Lords is not in doubt 

        • treborc

          How much longer do you lot want a life time.

  • Anniesec

    As I said in my blog a couple of weeks ago Labour should be building on this opportunity to discuss this introduction of a regionally elected tier – indicate they will add in a clause to give regionally elected Lords the opportunity to scrutinise on behalf of the regions and they take on a whole new role from the Commons. I agree with Nicks comments yesterday – not only are the way Lords chosen out of date, the proportion that come from London and the South East is wrong. Can even cope with a proportion being elected every five years for a fifteen year term if it brings in an element of regional democracy. More ideas here http://anniesec.wordpress.com/about/

    • Kevin

      Agree, think the regional element is a positive.

  • http://twitter.com/_DaveTalbot David Talbot

    “There should be no excuse for inertia from Labour people.”

    Absolutely, Kevin.  Those Labour activists who cannot see beyond their hatred of the Liberal Democrats ought to think again, as to those engaging in forlorn, romanticized rhetoric. 

    We have an option here and now. We in the Labour party have been discussing Lords reform since the 1910s, we can, at last, tonight do something about it. Let’s wait and see.

    • Kevin

      Amen to that Brother!

  • Dan H

    What rubbish.

    So let me be clear we in the Labour Party shoudl be advocating reform at any price.

    The Government’s timetable motion DOES NOT allow proper scrutiny – if you want one example look at the fact that it offers 1 full day on Lords expenses, but just 2 days on Commons primacy.

    If MPs approve this timetable they will not be doing their jobs properly. They are there to hold the government of the day to account, not to just blindly give a government carte blanche because they agree with the principle of the Bill and not the detail.

    Labour MPs have not been elected to give the Lib Dems a hand with a Bill – they are there to make it a PROPER House of Lords Reform Bill

    • Kevin

      Politics may be an endless debating society to you, my friend, but some of us want to see things achieved. Probably more parliamentary time over last century taken up on HoL reform than any other single issue.

      • Alan Giles

        I must be one of the few who regrets the “No” vote in the referendum on voting reform.

        It is all to easy to say this isn’t precisely how I would like it to be, but at least it is a start (as is tonight). When you consider how hidebound this country is, yearning for the status quo (“stop putting the clocks back? but we’ve been doing it for 70 years and anyway what’s wrong with it being dark a 3 in the afternoon?”).

        You have to be pragmatic and I agree with you Kevin – we don’t need a debate, we need action. It is tragic that even small reforms will be sacrificed for the sake of party games.

        • Kevin

          You’re right Alan  - the point with all this is we either get change or the status quo. I’d rather have change with reservations than no change at all.

      • Dan H

        OK, so you are saying you want this bad Bill in place.

        I would rather Parliament did its job and did things better rather than nod through any old Bill through because it is a little bit better than what we have got at the moment.

        • Alan Giles

          In the slow world of Westminster, a “little bit better”, as you generously admit it is, is better than nothing at all. Also, it could be revised. 

          As for “nodding through any old bill” – well, the soon-to-depart Purnell did just that in 2009 with Freud, even though by the time he did it, Freud was already sitting in the HoL on the Conservative benches.

      • Dan H

        So there we go. The Government are withdrawing the programme motion. Now we can have proper scrutiny of this ill-considered Bill and hopefully we can get proper Lords reform (and not the piecemeal attempt Nick Clegg was suggesting)

        • treborc

           In which year

  • ThePurpleBooker

    Kevin is wrong. We are voting for our manifesto promise which was a referendum. We have backed a Second Reading to the Bill, because we agree with Lords Reform in principle, but we are giving it more scrutiny by delaying the programme motion. If you believe that we should just lie down and accept any reform without thinking whether it is good or bad, then you are just plain stupid. We support good reform not reform just for the sake of it.
    If you look at the actual proposals in the Bill being put forward. 15-year-terms with no re-election, by an uncertain proportional representation, larger constituencies, direct elections who can threaten the primacy of the Commons is not what radicals like Keir Hardie or Robin Cook would have wanted. The fact that it is being railroaded through by the Liberal Democrats, in excahnge for rightwing policies.
    I want to see a Bill which puts forward a referendum on whether we should a House of Lords elected by the Secondary Mandate. We could also put in the proposals in the Steel Bill and look to putting a tier of peers from local government, civil society, armed forces, arts, science, the police – which all parties will have to abide by.

    • treborc

      Ah yes labour and referendums.

    • Kevin

      So that’s how the world looks up there in the ivory tower is it? 

      • treborc

         He’s an ex liberal, he came to labour because the Liberals did not win the last election.

        • ThePurpleBooker

          That is bullshit. I joined the party in 2000 when I was 17 so shut up.

          • treborc

             Rubbish you use to be called the ex lib you moron, do you think we do not know what names you were using you have used five so far

          • aracataca

            Try to ignore him PB.

          • John Dore

            Yes but Trebor joined the party in 1545 when Henry the 8th was on the throne and that trumps you. Moreover he is a Professor of Leeks and has studied the effects of Welsh Rarebit on flatulence levels.

      • ThePurpleBooker

        Kevin, just look at the Bill before blackmailing the party into backing reform withount knowing what it entails. Gosh.

        • Kevin

          Flattered to think I could do that!

      • Chocktaw Ridge

        If you heat up a sewing needle in a lighter flame and stick it into that tower it’ll penetrate like a hot knife into butter. That tower ain’t ivory! It’s plastic! Just like the person who lives inside it!

  • http://twitter.com/joshfg Joshua Fenton-Glynn

    I’m impressed with how many Labour activists have taken the baton from William Hague and made this an issue about Labour not about the conservative’s refusal to back their coalition partners.

    This is a change that will have a fundimental effect on how our laws are made,  it’s right for Labour to contend that a programme motion on that law change allowing for a full debate is right.

    I had always been under the impression that one of the perpouses of opposition was to scrutinise Government proposals and oppose the errors they make, you seem to be arguing we can sort that later, I would rather do it right now and think about the good eliments of the house of lords and how we build a system that holds on to them.

    • Kevin

      Simply an issue about whether you want to see our laws made by people we elect or carry on having every piece of legislation passed by Parliament voted on by people either appointed or who owe their place on red benches to heredity.

      • http://twitter.com/joshfg Joshua Fenton-Glynn

         Our laws are made by people we elect, the lords is a scrutinising chamber, legislation originates with the executive who is appointed by the commons an elected chamber.

        Do you recognise that a Party List system as has been mooted for the Lords is as open to accusations of patronage as appointments to the Lords. We risk over simplifying this issue with profound effects for how we are governed, taking time to discuss the issues is important.

        • Kevin

          You don’t seem to understand that we’re a bicameral legislature with legislation needing to pass both houses. Its a legislative house, not a pensioners’ lunch club.

      • aracataca

        This is clearly wrong as Labour MPs voted in favour of HoL reform. You also spoke of
         ’rebuilding a progressive front between Labour and the Lib Dems’. Surely if we have only learned one thing from the last 2 years is that they aren’t progressives and fantasies of forming a progressive alliance with them is for the birds.

  • Janet Green

    Nonsense.

    15 year term = makes North korea look democratic

    Regional PR = yuk – take a visit to Ukraine and see what it means for democracy and accountability

    • Kevin

      Janet – not to be too patronising – but you do understand the present arrangements don’t you? THE LORDS ARE NOT ELECTED.  How can direct elections be compared to N. Korea?!

  • hp

    Nah.
    This will go the same way as PR.
    There are more pressing concerns than this.

  • Mark Myword

    I have been struck by how often people say ‘I’m in favour of HoL reform – but not this one’. They are then totally unable to produce an alternative (or at least one that has the slightest chance of being generally acceptable). There is no magic bullet for HoL reform, otherwise we would have managed to find it after 101 years. There is however a very acceptable radical alternative: complete abolition. My preferred way forward is to dump this misbegotten effort, wait until the Scottish referendum gives us an indication of the future for the UK, create a federal structure for the UK (either with or without Scotland), elected national parliaments, elected federal assembly, abolition of the Lords at the same time. A grand new constitutional settlement. But I guess this is equally unacceptable!

  • David Brede

    Now the government have bottled the vote its time for Labour to come with clear proposals that will achieve the ends envisaged by the founding fathers and mothers or the party.

  • aracataca

    Is it right that Labour should support rushing through a Bill that envisages a Second Chamber that is elected by PR when the country (unfortunately in my view) so soundly rejected PR for the Commons in last year’s referendum?  Come on Kevin these things need to be properly examined and debated. I think it is rather shallow to see this matter solely in terms of playground politics.

    • Kevin

      We’ve been examining it since Keir Hardie was first elected! Time to act. We’re a political party, not a debating society.

      • aracataca

        I know we are and yes we should reform the House of Lords. Make it completely elected and  don’t help the Fib Dems rush this pile of garbage through, with hardly any Parliamentary scrutiny so that Clegg and co (swindled in by an opaque regional PR system) can sit on their butts and block the social reform programme of the next Labour government. Have you wondered why the Fibs are so animated by this Bill but were markedly less animated by the privatisation of the NHS, or the Housing Benefit cap, or the reduction of the top rate of tax…I could go on.

        • http://twitter.com/mistyblulabour dave stone

          “Have you wondered why the Fibs are so animated by this Bill … ”

          You’re onto to something there. Their days are numbered in the HoC, they must be planning for the future – a fifteen year tenure, it’ll see many of them into retirement.

  • Disco Duck

    OK. So now the LibDems in their frustration put the block on the Tory sponsored boundary changes happening before the next election which will probably mean few Conservatives and more anybody-elses. Which can only be a bloody good thing. Yipee!

  • Geraint

    Stop falling for the spin of the lying liberals and their Tory bosses. Labour voted for the bill, and it was the Tories that stopped the programme motion not Labour.  It is not up to the Labour Party to do the ConDem coalition any favours, nor should it back a programme motion that would have allowed a bad bill to go through the commons. If Cameron cannot lead his party, it is not for Ed Miliband to save him.

    The proposed reforms are not democratic, how can they be democratic with 15 year terms and no prospect of re-election. Not to mention the flaw electoral system. I hope that a proper debate will sort out the mess that the bill is and give us a proper uppser house that is truly democratic.

    Labour did the right thing last night, it will allow a proper debate that will hopefully improve the bill. 

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    Subscribers to our morning email get the best of LabourList – including the Media and blog round up – every weekday morning. If you were a subscriber you would have already received this in your inbox. You can sign up here. Cameron says no more EU-turns “After one of his most difficult weeks since becoming prime minister, David Cameron put in a polished and assured peformance on the Today programme this morning. The most notable line came on Europe, with Cameron [...]

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