Miliband talks tough on anti-social behaviour

April 2, 2012 9:37 am

Ahead of Labour’s local election campaign launch this morning, Ed Miliband has written for the Mirror, arguing that those guilty of committing acts of anti-social behaviour should be frogmarched (as the Mirror puts it) back to their victims to make amends. Ed Miliband calls this common sense policing, but some will argue that this effectively means the police are the judge and jury for certain offences. The crucial segment of the Miliband article is:

“Today, I am launching Labour’s local election campaign with a pledge that Labour councils will make it a priority to combat ­anti-social behaviour. But Asbos aren’t enough. We need to stop ­problems getting to that stage.

When people graffiti someone’s wall or vandalise their garden, there is a price paid by the victim and community. But if it is a first offence, too often it will result in a caution and nothing else. The offender may well go on to do the same thing more times.

I say let’s nip the problems in the bud. Those who do the wrong thing should be forced to make it up to the victim. Of course, it should only happen if the victim wants it to happen.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

    Very sensible – justice should have a reparative element. 

    • treborc

       And that’s it justice.

      Today Ed spoke and I just failed to see who he was talking to, he made two statements, one was about getting people over the age of seventy five the cheapest tariffs on power, you would think he would have said that for everyone who are on the min wage poor sick or disabled even the middle class why should we be paying the higest cost to make more profits, but not Ed he cannot speak for the poor those out of work, because he did it again, labour are the party of the hard working, then he said labour is the party of the middle.

      fine no problem, it will be interesting to see  in three years time can the middle get you back to power, little wonder Bradford turned away, and Scotland.

      He talks about the wealthy few, hold on he’s wealth and one of the few and to be honest labour did  just as much as the rich when in power as they did for the poor, you gave us tax credits only because you messed up with 10p tax fiasco which of course was no fiasco.

      I’ve no idea who the hell labour is now talking to, hard working people, not working class that’s for sure, three middle of the road Tory parties.

      But the cheap shot with the Union Jack  and the motto does not do much for me.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

        Eh? The victims are working people too, in the main – this proposal needs development but in principle its right

        • treborc

          The victims are working people, then why is Ed talking about hard working people, and not working class,  why does he go on and on about Middle Britain, labour is now the party of Middle Britain middle class working people not working class. Today Cooper spoke Miliband shuffled

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

            Has to be both – if Labour talks only to what the statisticians class as ‘working class’, that’s 30% of the electorate.

            It is quite possible to address more than one group of people. The problem is that if you resent Ed taking any time to address those outside the working-class then you are going to be permanently disappointed. 

          • treborc

            For god sake man he never talks about anything only his bloody middle class, he is now termed a new word Middle Britain.

            Miliband is new labour  and he dam well knows it

  • Bill Lockhart

    Hugh Paddick has come out with similar guff in London. With what skills and qualifications are these people going to carry out these repairs? With who’s equipment? Can anyone seriously imagine for a millisecond that the local government health-and-safety bureaucracy would allow (presumably) delinquent teenagers to carry out tasks which are already hedged about with regulations and prohibitions when a qualified tradesperson undertakes them? Or would, in fact, such a qualified tradesperson need to be in attendance, along with, presumably, a CSO or probation officer and quite possibly a health and safety/child protection officer as well? It is simply not credible.
    Rhetoric of the emptiest kind.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

      I assume you mean Brian Paddick?

      How come other countries who use reparative approaches don’t have these problems? 

      Of course, we could always send them all to universities of crime instead and have them return as much fitter criminals able to run away faster. What’s the cost of doing that, again?

      • treborc

        NHS is dead, what do we fight on. Hoodies and crime, yes this will be our battle ground

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=36910622 Edward Carlsson Browne

           He also spoke about repealing the NHS bill, so you may be talking complete rubbish. Not that that’s ever stopped you before…

          But yes, why shouldn’t we talk about crime? Crime disproportionately affects poorer, working-class areas. Crime encourages people to retreat from their communities, weakening local solidarities. Crime leads young people to abandon work and live an existence on the margins of society that will bring them neither work nor meaningful social engagement. Crime, in other words, is a class issue.

          And crime has to be solved at least partly by reparative approaches, because prison isn’t working right now and is far too expensive. The criminal has to accept they did wrong and take action to repair the damage they’ve done. The victim has to be able to accept the criminal’s regret and be willing to remain involved in the community. Otherwise we become islands of individuals and get that bit closer to proving Thatcher’s dictum correct.

          • treborc

            I think prison works wonders it may well be expensive as the Tories believe, it does wonders for areas when people get locked up.

            If people do not learn from a quick short dose then make it a bit longer, third time bye.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=36910622 Edward Carlsson Browne

             You’re paying £800 a week for a few months of respite, after which they come back better trained as a criminal and with fewer alternative options.

            Hoping that works and spending god knows how many thousands of pounds when it doesn’t strikes me as an inefficient solution. I would rather not have to choose between keeping SureStart centres open or prisons.

      • GuyM

        You didn’t really answer his point though did you?

        In order for such work to be undertaken facilities, control and enforcement needs to be provided. That’s likely a lot of manpower at a high cost.

        The public I’m sure are all for getting “hoodies” to do some community service if they break the law. I’m not so sure they understand the cost of managing it.

  • Dave Postles

     What about the young people who need assistance?  We still need almost £200k to refurbish the Ealing hostel for Centrepoint.  http://www.centrepoint.org.uk/  The e-mail which I received this morning from Centrepoint commented about the government cutbacks and the increase in young homelessness placing even greater reliance on individual supporters. 
    As to estates and anti-social behaviour, talk to the people who have experience of ‘social housing’ over the last sixty years.  It’s the legacy of Thatcherism.

    • GuyM

      I’m all for increased social housing for those in need, so long as it’s not seen as a quick route to getting somewhere to live i.e. teenager mothers.

      At the same time though perhaps the left might like to suggest to the underclass a little less procreation until they can support their offspring fully themselves? Or is responsibility only a message for taxpayers?

      • treborc

         better to let them on the streets so they end up with two or three kids.

        • GuyM

          35% plus of youth are doing degrees.

          A lot of those young fresh undergraduates end up in Halls of Residence with similar young people. Accomadation, shared services and support provided on the basis of them getting an education and being productive in life.

          What exactly is the argument against teenage mothers who canb’t stay in a family home, but instead call upon limited social housing stock and increased benefits being left with the same choice?

          You you can have accomodation, but it is at the state’s pleasure not at your entitlement. Therefore a form of Hall of Residence with child care and compulsory education programmes.

          The permissive welfarism of post 1960s concensus has given us the underclass, I’m sorry to say we can’t afford to carry it on and a lot of us have no desire to let it carry on.

  • Politique

    I feel that Ed needs to change his advisors He has simply no idea on this issue. Do we blame the leader or do we blame the poor researchers and advisors at the helm of his policy unit.

    This is why people are turned off. Nothing new here  and utter dribble.

  • Jeff_Harvey

    Sounds like a paraphrase of Tony Blair’s idea for the police to march drunks to the nearest cash-point and make them withdraw money to pay on the spot fines. Somewhat difficult to enforce if the drunk concerned has no cash-point card, has forgotten his (or her) PIN number, or is so drunk as to be incapable of using a hole-in-the wall even when supervised by the Constabulary. Mind you it isn’t quite as bad as Ed Miliband promoting the initiative outline in Labour’s last official manifesto to withdraw benefit entitlement from teenage single mothers – presumably leaving them destitute, homeless and starving – unless they agreed to be caged with their children in institutions called “Foyers” like princesses in their towers sequestered miles away from their friends, families and support groups.

    Who the heck invents such superficial and ridiculous policies?

    I despair.

    • GuyM

      The alternative being we allow teenage girls to see a child as the route to their own home and increased  benefits…. a perfect escape for the underclass, get someone else to pay for them to create another generation in their own image.

      • Jeff_Harvey

        Back to Narnia post haste, my friend, for glorious Narnia is a million times more real than the Earth you have been deceived into believing now harbours you as an inhabitant. Beware the lion. And the Ape. Forsooth and anon.  

        • GuyM

          Narnia I’d imagine is a place Socialists must love… I’d guess there are money trees there and no one needs to do much work as some generous squirrel or badger will sort it all out for you.

          Of course in time those pesky squirrels and badgers might get seen as the “rich”, not willing to endlessly work to allow humans to sit on their arses and beget more humans?

          Not to worry you can move onto the next fantasy world where a large chunk of your core socialist vote needs to nothing but rely on benefits.

          I never underestimate your ability to think someone else should pay your core vote’s way in life Jeff. Typical socialist, an apologist for lazy good for nothing scum and nothing more.

          • Jeff_Harvey

            Sorry, Guy.

            With my hand on my heart I truly believe that you are madder than a box of frogs and a fantacist of the first order. In real life I would probably cross the street to avoid having to stand in the same sunlight with an individual as conceited and vapid as you have repeatedly shown yourself to be on this site. As you must surely have realised long ago I have zero interest in any of your opinions or in fact in anything you think, write, or have to say about anything whatsoever. Yet most of all I am ashamed that a non-entity like you, writing verbiage on a blog like this, has managed to ruffle my feathers, even if only a little and so from this point on I’m simply going to ignore all of your future posts, whether linked to my own by way of response or not.  

            I think you are as mad as a hatter.

            That said I’ll let you get back to your millinery.

            Ave atque vale.

        • GuyM

          Narnia I’d imagine is a place Socialists must love… I’d guess there are money trees there and no one needs to do much work as some generous squirrel or badger will sort it all out for you.

          Of course in time those pesky squirrels and badgers might get seen as the “rich”, not willing to endlessly work to allow humans to sit on their arses and beget more humans?

          Not to worry you can move onto the next fantasy world where a large chunk of your core socialist vote needs to nothing but rely on benefits.

          I never underestimate your ability to think someone else should pay your core vote’s way in life Jeff. Typical socialist, an apologist for lazy good for nothing scum and nothing more.

  • Streets585

    So so sadly behind the curve (yet again) ..I was a police officer until two years ago and my department managed ASB issues. Restorative justice is a very useful ‘element’ of the problem solving model but you cannot just assume guilt and force people to do anything as any sort of punishment…Oh boy I wish you could –  but that way lies all sorts of problems with litigation and complaints. I’m loathe to comment about what they should be saying because they might actually wake up and listen to what practitioners are saying ans I have no intention of giving this ridiculous and shambolic outfit any assistance.
    I talk about these things in other forums but I won’t do it here.

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