Politicians are right to focus on anti-social behaviour – but do they really understand it?

April 2, 2012 11:16 am

A few weeks ago while out canvassing I spent ten minutes talking to someone about anti-social behaviour on their estate. They told me about how it had once been a great place to live, but as the years turned to decades, the community began to break down. It’s clear many of the houses and flats had begun to do likewise.

Kids play football on the grass that divides some of the houses from the flats (much to the annoyance of some of the residents), but you don’t see anyone much older out on the estate – even on a bright spring morning. Not many people answer their doors either.

Why? It’s hard not to imagine the anti-social behaviour is a major factor.

It sounds so innocuous doesn’t it? “Anti-social behaviour” (and the accompanying much maligned and mocked ASBOs). Yet it covers a range of issues from persistently disruptive behaviour through to graffiti and even violence. This estate has had to deal with a broad cross section of these problems. Residents have seen drug dealing taking place openly in broad daylight. Older people are terrified to leave their homes after dark (and often during the day) thanks to what they describe as gangs on street corners.

To me this sounded like something out of “The Wire”. After all this estate is in a relatively affluent part of outer London, not the west side of Baltimore. But that doesn’t mean that these concerns aren’t real, legitimate and hugely impacting upon their quality of life.

Anti-social behaviour isn’t confined to estates either. I live on an otherwise quiet side street in an otherwise quiet part of London. But I also live between two pubs. On a Friday night it’s not unusual to get woken up by singing, shouting and the occasional glass being smashed in the street outside. That doesn’t unduly bother me – but for older residents it might. No-one calls the police, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem.

Today Ed Miliband has brought anti-social behaviour back to the forefront of Westminster discourse. Of course in the country at large the issue has never left the agenda. But I fear that Ed Miliband’s plan to have police frogmarch offenders straight back to their victims to make amends is symptomatic of Labour’s approach to anti-social behaviour – well meaning but flawed. The resident I spoke to a few weeks ago had stopped calling the police over problems in their area precisely because officers would knock on their door and report that they had dealt with the problem. Of course that meant those who had been reported to the police knew who their accusers were.

This new plan – whilst having the potential as part of a restorative justice strategy (which Imran Ahmed has spoken movingly of on these pages before) – could just exacerbate the unwillingness of victims to contact the police. That’s a fear that is abundantly obvious to anyone who has discussed ASB on the doorstep.

Labour made many great strides on community policing, youth work and the modernisation of many of Britain’s crumbling estates. But when it comes to the anti-social behaviour epidemic – and make no mistake, that’s what it is – it’s hard not to feel like we diagnosed the problem, but we didn’t cure it. Whilst I’m delighted that Miliband is bringing the Westminster agenda into line with the public (as it always should be), I still think our politicians are struggling to understand the scale and scope of such problems.

Only when they do, can they begin to solve them.

  • John Ruddy

    To paraphrase slightly, to be tough on anti-social behaviour, we must be tough on the causes of anti-social behaviour.

    For many young people, there are few opportunities, either in education or recreation. The old expression “the devil makes work for idle hands” is nowhere more apt than here.

    We need to give young people things to do that they will find rewarding, entertaining and constructive. Frog marching them back to their victim to say sorry isnt going to make the problem go away.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

    OK – but let’s not lose the reparative element, because it is the lack of connection between the behaviour and the consequences for real people which can make it seem less important. Look towards jurisdictions where reparative approaches are used successfully

  • treborc

    Tell you what people will say, labour lost the NHS battle, so have fallen back on crime, it was education education education this time it’s crime crime crime, I will be waiting for Miliband to tell us next it’s those pesky working class or non working class that hitting our beloved middle class.

    What next  road marking in green for middle class, red for lower class.

    three political parties fighting for the same group of people the middle class, little wonder people think Galloway is  better then what we are being offered.

    • Slakah

      I disagree, working class crime usually hits those in working class communities hardest. The middle classes don’t live in these areas, it’s the people who live in these communities who are hardest hit. The working classes have more right to be fearful of crime than any other section of our society. I don’t necessarily believe in the crime and punishment rhetoric you hear spouted from many on the right, we certainly need a system of restorative justice and to tackle the root causes. Of which I believe to be lack of jobs and lack of focus in schools. I don’t necessarily now how to remedy the second point.

  • trotters57

    When hope and justice leave the room, nihilism and intolerance walk in.

    Jobs, Jobs,  Jobs, not Education, Education, Education.

  • Guest

     
     
    @John Ruddy stop blaming lack of opportunities as the cause of ASB. I have had problems with ASB and it is down to bad parenting. I used to get problems with kids kicking their football againt my wall. The ball would hit my window. The noise was a nuisance. Bang! Bang! Bang!. These kids would never kick their football against their own homes. The park was 100 yards away. The situation was difficult, do you confront them?  Or do you put up with it and suffer in silence?. All sorts of things go through your mind. If you speak up, will it get worse? Will it aggrevate the situation? How should you speak to them – go heavy handed? Use politeness? Do they carry knives? Will they carry out revenge attacks?
     
    I decided to confront them and used the polite and courteous approach. All I got was verbal abuse from the kids. One of the mothers came in 10mins later and was shouting and screaming at me in front of the youths and her own children. She was not interested in the nuisance it was cauing me and was not particulatly interested that my window would be broken.  I explained, her own child has said the reason they are not playing against their home, is they did n’t want to break their windows!.
     
    When you get mothers like this, why blame the kids?. What sort of parenting is this?.  It is all too late, by the time these kids are in their adulthood. No wonder, we see the riots. Intervention needs to start when these kids are young and still at schools. Kids need to learn empathy and respect for others.
     
    People need to remember, if Society is too weak to contront ASB. Think for it a minute the psychological damage, this is causing to children who have to go the same schools as these thugs. I am sure they would be the victim of these bullies.
     
    ASB only hardens people’s views. We have the Torys cutting benefits.  Don’t ask me to protest about it. I think they should go further and stop single mothers from pro-creating, stop giving them homes. It is crazy, you have women in careers delaying having children, while the single mothers pro-creating.  
     
    We have been generous, we have spend billions on housing associations. Some of the people who live on there don’t deserve homes. As a tax payer, all I have got is trouble makers from those estates. Now councils and housing associations are buying up private properties, so you have many more troublemakers.
     
    I can see this country will go towards a situation such as Brazil or the US, were you have gated communities, to keep troublemakers out.

  • Guest

     
     
    @John Ruddy stop blaming lack of opportunities as the cause of ASB. I have had problems with ASB and it is down to bad parenting. I used to get problems with kids kicking their football againt my wall. The ball would hit my window. The noise was a nuisance. Bang! Bang! Bang!. These kids would never kick their football against their own homes. The park was 100 yards away. The situation was difficult, do you confront them?  Or do you put up with it and suffer in silence?. All sorts of things go through your mind. If you speak up, will it get worse? Will it aggrevate the situation? How should you speak to them – go heavy handed? Use politeness? Do they carry knives? Will they carry out revenge attacks?
     
    I decided to confront them and used the polite and courteous approach. All I got was verbal abuse from the kids. One of the mothers came in 10mins later and was shouting and screaming at me in front of the youths and her own children. She was not interested in the nuisance it was cauing me and was not particulatly interested that my window would be broken.  I explained, her own child has said the reason they are not playing against their home, is they did n’t want to break their windows!.
     
    When you get mothers like this, why blame the kids?. What sort of parenting is this?.  It is all too late, by the time these kids are in their adulthood. No wonder, we see the riots. Intervention needs to start when these kids are young and still at schools. Kids need to learn empathy and respect for others.
     
    People need to remember, if Society is too weak to contront ASB. Think for it a minute the psychological damage, this is causing to children who have to go the same schools as these thugs. I am sure they would be the victim of these bullies.
     
    ASB only hardens people’s views. We have the Torys cutting benefits.  Don’t ask me to protest about it. I think they should go further and stop single mothers from pro-creating, stop giving them homes. It is crazy, you have women in careers delaying having children, while the single mothers pro-creating.  
     
    We have been generous, we have spend billions on housing associations. Some of the people who live on there don’t deserve homes. As a tax payer, all I have got is trouble makers from those estates. Now councils and housing associations are buying up private properties, so you have many more troublemakers.
     
    I can see this country will go towards a situation such as Brazil or the US, were you have gated communities, to keep troublemakers out.

    • Jeff_Harvey

      “… stop single mothers from pro-creating…”

      How exactly?

      Compulsory sterilisation? Compulsory contraception? Compulsory abortion?

      Even for Catholics and Muslims?

      You cannot be serious, surely?

      • treborc

        I think they are.

        In my day it was latch keys kids.

    • John Ruddy

      You’ve described the situation very accurately, however you havnt said what causes anti-social behaviour, apart from “I blame the parents”.

      So, please, tell me, if you can, what is the cause of anti-social behaviour, and what would you do to change it. 

  • John Ringer

    Mark really hits the nail on the head. Anti-social behaviour is not some phantom that Blair made up, nor is it some Orwellian euphemism for crime as a whole. It is a real problem that affects normal people, and it’s an issue that we as socialists really should care about.

    I’ve got huge problems with anti-social behaviour on my street, literally right at the door to my block of flats. It’s mostly boys – college-aged and younger – who sit around smoking, leaving trash around, yelling and playing music at all hours, revving their cars, and harassing passers-by, especially women.
    There are times when I’ve really wanted to call the police about them but, like Mark says, the idea of letting these kids know that I was the one who ratted them out makes me think twice. Since they live right round the corner, and they aren’t going to be hauled off to jail, I know that, no matter what punishment they get, nothing will be able to keep them and their mates away from me. While I’ve never seen them get violent, they certainly get angry and irrational, and it just does not seem worth the risk, even if I have every right to complain.A lot of this has to do with these kids having sod all else to do, and having pretty dire conditions at home.  In the absence of a late-night community centre or some such (let alone a full-scale economic recovery that improves their lives and prospects) I really have no problem with them hanging around my street, as long as they keep the volume down, pick up their litter, and treat their neighbours with respect. I hardly see how that’s too much to ask.

    I think it would be a huge help if there was more pro-active policing. Rather than calling the police to come along, sirens blazing whenever the lads outside get too noisy, there should be a bobby on the beat who, while respecting their right to hang around and be kids, would be around to keep their excesses in check. I’ve never once seen a police officer on my street or anywhere near it, and that’s not going to change any time soon, with the way police numbers are going.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=36910622 Edward Carlsson Browne

    We also need to look at why anti-social behaviour is manifesting itself on estates like these in the first place.

    In a lot of cases, it’s reflective of divisions within a community, largely connected to RTB. You have the older residents who own their own homes and are justly proud of them. Then you have the homes which were bought under RTB, but are now let out. Then you have the homes which are now let out.

    The housing shortage means that those in the third group are much more likely to be living chaotic lives than they were thirty years ago. And the lack of regulation of landlords mean that problems in the second group are very hard to deal with. Whilst the first group are older, house-proud and may have a rose-tinted glasses view of past history on the estate. That means they’ll count not just vandalism and drug-dealing as gang behaviour, but also just kids having a laugh. The intention and seriousness may be different, but if the community is divided and you do not identify with that section of it, you will still be intimidated by it.

    You have to deal with the symptoms. But you also have to deal with the root causes. RTB has happened and you could not remunicipalise all these properties even if you wanted to. But in some areas it, and other problems, have created patchwork estates and there also has to be work done to reconnect these communities.

    How? I’m not entirely sure. There probably isn’t one solitary answer, but ideas like urban parish councils, residents’ associations with a wider footing, better lighting of communal and sporting areas and elderly-youth engagement strategies all have a role to play. As does an active local Labour Party that can act as social glue.

  • Amber Star

    Kids hanging around, kids playing football on an area of grass, people living where there are pubs & complaining about the noise (unless the pubs arrived after the people, what did they expect?).

    And what a shocker! Somebody hands over money to buy an item right there, in the street! Okay, it’s an illegal item but the actualité of the transaction itself is hardly ‘anti-social behaviour’.

    Is it just me who thinks that people are becoming extremely intolerant of fairly ‘normal’ minor inconveniences?

  • Brian Barder

    The Labour leadership has made a serious mistake in seeking to put the
    problem of antisocial behaviour at the top of the party’s list of
    priorities.  In the first place, the problem is inherently insoluble, so any
    measures proposed as Labour policy are doomed to be seen as having failed, even
    in the unlikely event of some of them achieving some partial success.  Secondly, this is preeminently a problem to be tackled in local communities, not by a novelty silver bullet (‘restorative justice’) fired by swingeing legislation from the centre. One size will never fit all. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, putting top emphasis on antisocial behaviour is fatally reminiscent of the Blair years, and it should increasingly obviously be an urgent priority for the Labour leadership to mark a sharp break with New Labour: to make the fresh start promised by Ed Miliband in his speech at the party conference immediately after the leadership election. On far too many subjects Labour under Mr Miliband sounds like a continuation of Blairism. Some of the old stagers of the Blair and Brown governments need to be pensioned off, or at any rate invited to keep quiet and not to complain if some of the more glaring deficiencies, errors and indeed crimes of the Blair years are now explicitly disowned by the party he led. For evidence of this pressing need, you only need to look at Bradford West.  Whatever people might think of George Galloway as a politician and a person, thousands of us have been yearning to hear our Labour leaders talking pretty much the same language as Gorgeous George – so far, in vain.

    There’s also the question of priorities. When we have the most reactionary government in living memory systematically dismantling the welfare state, enriching the bankers at the expense of the unemployed, the homeless and the disabled, squandering millions on pointless and unwinnable foreign wars, maintaining an ‘independent British nuclear deterrent’ which is not independent, not British, and which deters no one, selling off the NHS to private interests, tackling an economy in depression through lack of aggregate demand by slashing the disposable incomes of working people and throwing millions of public servants out of work, thus throttling such demand as still survives – when a Tory-led government is doing all these appalling things, it beggars the imagination that a Labour leader and Leader of the Opposition can be seriously proposing that the main focus of the party’s national policy should be *antisocial behaviour*. 

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  • Weaver_HM

    Simple solution – give kids somewhere to go.

    That’s always been the problem over the years, and not once has anyone ever done anything constructive to solve it. 

    Funding towards youth centres with activities kids enjoy would be a start. Maybe some pool tables, a small library, a garden/park area, access to musical instruments and art materials, somewhere to watch movies, or have internet access. 

    Let them use the centre and activities without hanging over them like Big Brother and I’m pretty sure we’d see a drastic change over the course of a few years (maybe even less time than that). Because at the end of the day, that’s all they want, just to hang out with their mates without the all-seeing-eye of the adult world. 

    It would take a fair whack of money to implement such a system and keep running, but how much is anti-social behaviour currently costing the country? It’s worth weighing that up I think.

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