Outstanding brilliant and to the point.
Anyone who thinks this would reflect well on the party if it hits the 6 o’clock news is sorely mistaken.
Fortunately it’s pretty unlikely to.
Why would it? Stuffy pomp interrupted by a man highlighting the fact that our economic situation is terrible.
A political party making political points versus basic good manners and the monarch? I know which side I’d place my money on.
Well good manners does not seem to have done to well over the last few years, we went to a war on a bunch of lies, Brown told us no more Boom and bust, and Cameron told us he knows how to fix the mess.
Dennis mate long may you rule.
Robert, how can you disagree with Guv’nor King who has categorically stated that there was no boom, just a bust?
Seems like a Boom to me.
What’s not to like? No one elected the monarch. Dennis was elected. The people’s voice should be heard.
And, of course, Dennis’s ejaculations have become a much loved HoC tradition.
‘And, of course, Dennis’s ejaculations have become a much loved HoC tradition.’ ROFL!
So were Tom Dreiberg’s ejaculations were a much loved HoC
Dreiberg never did the Devil’s work because his hands were always full.
Working class man against all the Oiks well you know who’s side he’s on mine.
he’s made my day maybe week it, it shows not all of those in labour speak with a plum stuck up their back side, and he has the guts to tell it as it is.
Well said Dennis !
Welcome JustMom (and that’s a f-t job!).
What a shabby and dishevelled little oik.
Oik, says it all.
That’s a bit close to the Bone – but fully justified!
Mrs Bone…Who actually types oik? How far removed from reality are you……am amazed you didn’t get your help to write the message for you. You remind me of everything I dislike about people….
I, for one, am sick to death of Mr. Skinner’s continual ejaculations.
Well Mrs Bone, you shouldn’t get him so excited, then he wouldn’t be continually ejaculating. Can’t be good for his heart at his age.
Peter, I think what Mrs. Bone is saying is that she don’t appreciate Dennis’s ejaculations forced down her throat 🙂
She just doesn’t get it (well, not often, anyway)….
* Alan Clare (1921-1993)
Dennis Skinner is, if nothing else, a considered gentleman. His ejaculations are never premature, Mrs Bone.
Sounds to me your not getting enough, stop moaning go out a bit.
He may be right but I think it just makes Labour look bad. None of the main three parties are held in high regard by the public and Labour tribalism is very off putting.
Perhaps we should have a Ministry of Deference?
I use to be very tribal, in the days long ago when you could tell labour by the colour of the ties, or the voice of the MP, now of course labour is upper middle class it just nice to hear somebody with a working accent tell it as it is.
Perhaps mps should retire when 65 or senile, whichever the sooner.
I wonder who else.
Retired with extreme prejudice more like!
Can anyone direct me to a Hansard extract where Mr Skinner has offered a detailed anaylsis on legislation? Preferably with him offering a considered, practical alternative? Thanks.
Hello, Jon: Do I detect a note of disapproval in there?.
You have to remember we are a broad church and a piece of left-wing straight talking is just as valuable as the pompous and right wing posturings of David Miliband and Liam Byrne!
* Colin Purbrook (1936-1999)
Hi Alan, well there was a little yes but it was also a genuine question. I strongly dislike the anodyne monotony of modern parliament, and I think it’s good to have ‘characters’ in tghe House because they can often bring a unique perspective into debate.
But I only see Mr Skinner ever contributing to debates by saying ‘The Tories are dreadful’. That has it’s place, but if it’s all you do then it becomes vacuous. For me, it’s an MP’s job to get into the nitty gritty detail of policy, explain in detail why you support/oppose it and where appropriate offer a detailed alternative that could actually improve things.
I like straight talkers, but only if it’s backed up by substance otherwise it’s just a rant, which doesn’t help anyone. As I say, I genuinely would want to read a speech from Mr Skinner where he offers detailed analysis or produces interesting policy ideas – it’s just I’ve looked and haven’t been able to find any.
I have no doubt you can find equivalents from the Blairite wing, I know for a fact they exist and have argued with many on this very same point. All I want is substance and detailed ideas. I have far more respect for people who come up with bad ideas, than those who come up with none at all and just complain from the sidelines – and that goes for ALL wings of the party, including my own.
I take your point Jon, but I think you will find that Dennis’s pithy remarks probably get listened and responded to more than a lecture from D.M, for example. For every person repelled by his forthrightness (like Mrs Bone – if that is her real name and not another double entendre’) you will find 2 or 3 who will say – yes – he’s hit the nail on the head. He might not propose solutions, but then again, I suspect a great deal of people in this country don’t really believe any one politician or any one party has the solutions to the problems that we have, and they view with suspicion anyone who claims they do have.
I have to say one of the best – and most practical and workable ideas I have seen in recent times comes from Anthony Painter, who I know would be to my right on most issues, but in helping to found a technical college for 14-19 year olds in Hackney – a poor East London area on the doorstep of the prosperous Docklands area, he has my admiration and respect: a ood idea is a good idea regardless of provenance; were I to become PM tomorrow, the return of the technical college – which helped non-academic boys of my generation, in a way university would not have been able to – would be my joint priority, along with the building of large scale council housing (something Gordon promised in June 2007 but never got round to). These two issues will haunt us for decades to come.
I think some people would regard these two measures as retrogressive, but I think we have to face the fact that the problems we have now are probably as bad as they were in the late 40s and 1950s, and worse in some ways, in that there is no longer the family support there was back then – I was bought up by my grandparents for example, now even older people are expected to carry on working (if they have/can find jobs), had I been born in the last decade this probably wouldn’t have been an option: it would have been Barnardos or the Salvation Army (God help us!) for me. We have to face the fact that not everyone can go to university, and many will resent staying at school till they are 18.
Sorry I have digressed somewhat, but I just wanted to show I am not totally opposed to ideas which eminate from the right of the party p- I am not so sure though they would be too happy to embrace left-thinking ideas, but who knows?
* Pat Smythe (1923-1983)
Hi Alan, I think the re-establishment of technical colleges/polytechnics is actually a really good idea. Universities should be centres of academic excellence, and are best suited to very specific skill-sets/career ambitions which clearly do not suit everyone.
I suspect the scrapping of such colleges is directly responsible for kids (who want to stay in education) ending up studying for wishy washy degrees in David Beckham Studies (etc etc), leaving them in mountains of debt for a qualification that doesn’t make them competitive in the jobs market. More apprenticeships, more technical career training = diverse and productive economy, as far as I can see.
For all I know you may be right on the Dennis point. As I say, it’s not the forthrightness that I dislike, it’s the lack of follow up with something more substantial/detailed afterwards. Anybody can be forthright, but MPs are paid to do the detail on the public’s behalf. People like John Prescott/Robin Cook were very forthright, but they also knew and engaged in the detail. As far as I can tell, ordinary non-politico people hate the brouhaha stuff, but I guess one’s view is more to do with who you spend your time with (most of my family/friends aren’t political in the slightest and hence ‘ordinary people’).
Hi Jon, Nice to be able to agree: The great thing about my technical college was that it had several disciplines – for example as well as various branches of engineering there was a whole block devoted to printing – letterpress, still in those days, and the printing students got practical skills in every area of the craft from make-ready to print finishing, taking in design and compositing, so by the end of the course they were fully versed in every aspect of the job. They used to print college materials, like work sheets , stationery etc so the college was like a little self-supporting community, and they could show prospective employers work they had done. Agreed, skills that would not be needed today, but my local further education college, a couple of years back, at enormous expense, built an entire new building devoted to the “performing arts” – and sadly, the result is you have numerous boys and girls who want to be TV presenters, and I frankly think it’s cruel to build up hopes that will probably not be realised (those who don’t want to be presenters vaguely talk of “show business”- I would have hated that – show business is draughty cheap rehearsal halls, tacky productions, crummy hotels, cheques that bounce all over the place, and nasty producers with their casting couch – and that’s only the glamorous side! 🙂 ).
Seriously though , I hope Anthony’s ideas get replicated throughout the country because they will turn out eminently employable students, with in-demand skills. We will always need computer technicians and programmers – there are only so many “Ant & Decs” needed.
* John Taylor (1942 – )
Sounds like you had a smiliar path to my Dad, who went to Bristol poly and has a similar view to you.
You are right about ‘Performing Arts’. I must admit I had such ambitions myself after a few stints in the school play! – quickly forgotten. But we are bringing kids up today on a diet of celebrity and reality TV – and it terrifies me that we have a generation of young girls growing up wanting to be a WAG, and not a doctor, teacher, run a business (etc)
Detailed analysis? Dennis Skinner? Blimey! We ain’t heard no analysis or alternative agenda from those political giants Balls and Miliband yet, whose political genius is unsurpassed, and will probably make their names live beyond eternity.
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