Charles Clarke attacks Labour leadership (again)

February 26, 2012 7:00 am

In an interview with the Telegraph today, Charles Clarke has launched a series of attacks against the Labour leadership. He also reveals in the interview that he thinks Labour would have won the 2010 election under his leadership.

The former Home Secretary (who lost his seat at the last election) is no stranger to assaults on the Labour leadership in recent years of course. And although Clarke makes some valid points, it’s hard not to view the piece as a whole as a bit of a “look at me exercise” from a former grandee. Perhaps one who might wish to bear in mind Atlee’s famous ‘advice’ to Laski – “a period of silence on your part would be welcome”.

Then again, Clarke was often an outrider, and perhaps the most regularly mooted “stalking horse” in Labour history from 2007-2010. But if he’s an outrider now, who is he acting on behalf of?

Here are some of the quotes from the interview:

On Labour’s message

“We need to have a clear narrative of what we did right and what we did wrong. We’re not remotely near that. Also, we have to remember we are opposing as a potential future government. Simply to say what the Government is doing is a load of rubbish is absolutely not good enough. We have to say what we would do in these circumstances.”

On Ed Balls and economic strategy

“I’ve talked about this to Ed Balls [the shadow chancellor], who is a man I like, who, of course, was at the core of the Brown economic strategy. If he is going to be a credible chancellor, he has to explain what we did right and what we did wrong. I don’t think he’s able to do that.”

On perceptions of Ed Miliband

“I don’t see Ed as weird and geeky, but it is a correct reporting of the situation to say that many people do see him as weird and geeky.”

Fair criticisms? Unfair criticisms? Read the full piece here, and have your say in the comments below.

  • AlanGiles

    We should feel sorry for this self-deluded fool.

    If he seriously believes that he could have won the 2010 election for Labour, he needs urgent treatment from a specialist. He lost his own seat, his self-respect  and that of others, and STILL he won’t shut up.

    These are just the ramblings of a defeated old man – enjoy your retirement Charlie, there’s life beyond the limo.

    • john Reid

      in all fairness he never had A limo, he was one person who’d walk down the road in the middle of the night with out security or anything

  • Jeff_Harvey

    Isn’t it about time Big Ears moved back to Noddy’s House-for-One  in Toytown? 

  • Daniel Speight

    Interesting this comes at a time of reported meetings between groups of the new intake of Labour MPs and Tony Blair. Is Clarke working for his old boss? I wonder who Blair is backing? I also wonder if Blair knows quite how toxic he really  is? 

    • AlanGiles

      Funny you should say that….I know I might sound a bid paranoid but I can’t help wondering if he is acting as a warm-up act for David Miliband.

      That bit about “We need to have a clear narrative of what we did right and what we did wrong. ”

      Sounds a bit like DMs speech about a fortnight ago. Coincidence?. Perhaps. Perhaps not.

      It has to be said very few leaders and those near the top (I can imagine Charlie shambling round bus stops in rural Norfolk saying to anyone who’ll listen “I used to be home secretary, you know”) really manage to bow out gracefully. Harold Wilson and Jim Callaghan and John Major are about the only ones to have only spoken when they have been spoken to, and then never in a flagrant way.

      We all take the mickey out of John Major, but what I did admire about him was that on May 2nd 1997 he just said “when the curtain falls, it’s time to the leave the stage” and then went off to a cricket match. He may have been a poor PM but at least that showed a bit of class. If Charlie couldn’t persuade his own flock in Norfolk in 2010 how can he possibly believe he could have persuaded the country?

  • Daniel Speight

    Interesting this comes at a time of reported meetings between groups of the new intake of Labour MPs and Tony Blair. Is Clarke working for his old boss? I wonder who Blair is backing? I also wonder if Blair knows quite how toxic he really  is? 

  • TomFairfax

    Given Charles Clarke was turfed out on his expansive bottom by the natives in May 2010. I can only assume he’s been indulging in a few  too many pints of Woodforde’s Wherry than is good for him since.

    The only interest in this story has to be that the Telegraph are giving him the time of day for some reason. That is probably of greater import than his comments. There’s sterner, and more credible critics of  Ed than this guy.

  • Amber Star

    “We need to have a clear narrative of what we did right and what we did wrong.”

    Having Charles Clarke in the cabinet was definitely one of the things [New] Labour did wrong.

    • treborc

       You mean Labour…..Labour did wrong

  • treborc

    Prophets and disciples from Thatcher and the Tories who spent years in the wilderness fighting over Thatchers legacy, whether it would live on or die out, she spent years in the back ground with her disciples keeping the Tories out of power.

    New Labour and Blair the Prophet, his disciples are  doing the same basically of course Thatcher stayed on the back benches , while Blair left to make money, but is still seen as the Prophet in waiting with David Miliband the leader in waiting.
    It’s the new politics, in the old days the Wilson  the Callaghan’s would go off and pen Biography of them selves or tell us  how hard it was during the strikes, but would basically allow the New Leader to do as they please .

    Today we have leaders who see themselves as personalities and they have placed in to History, not government, but world  changing  prophecies

    • john Reid

      Wilson said in Interviews after he retired, that He was A huge thatcher fan ,cearing up the mistake he made with the Unions, and He begged Shirley williams not to leave in Febraury 1981, (a month before Rodgers and Owen had discussed the Plan for the SDP) Callaghan said in A interview on the eve of the ’83 election that these policies weren’t Neccesarily his own) Callaghan also went on to the Stage of the Labour ’83 conference to be booed by most people before he’d said A word to say ‘Look what you’ve done, All you do is tell other people what policies you want us to have ,without consulting us , You’ve lost us millions and Millions of votes” Callaghan Also relfected in 92 and 97 on the Mess his generation ahd made of running the Labour party resulting in 2 consecutive lections Where laobur got less than 30% of the voteChalres clarke on becoming Home secretary was A defender of the Human rights act, something his preducessor David Blunkett wanted to get rid of as Blunkett had brought in so many half baked ideas that had been proved Illegal by the HRA, Clarke admitted that the Home office was In such A state that it would need 5 years to sort out, Unfortunately, as 700 of the 1000 foreign prsioners who were relased without being deported had already been released during Blunketts time, clarke had to go, At least he fell on his sword for the mistake of the foriegn prisoners, HAS Gordon browns staff at No 11 downing street, Ed balls and ed miliband admitted that they should take some responsibility for the economy.regarding the Attlee domment, Attlee realsed he sohuld have gone 4 years earlier than he did in 1955, and that he was keen to oust Bevan earlier than he did, Attlee was A keen endorser of gaitskell and hole heartedly supprted Gaistkells reforms to weed out epople who admitted that the Attlee government had made mistake in getting spending out of control in 1949 and that they’d ran out of idea by 1948, So maybe Clarke should endorse someone like Attlee who admits that we got the economy wrong and that the 2010 manifesto was without ideas and that we should accept that we have to have ideas to be a future governemnt not just criticse the Current lot as we don’t like the cuts, and that some of the Ideas Clarke had Like the police mergers shouldn’t have been dropped.

  • Davrwhu

    With people like Charles Clarke around who needs enemies with ‘friends’ like this.

  • Duncan

    I can’t help wondering whether David Miliband will end up being a sort of Michael Portillo character, tipped to be son of Blair (rather than son of Thatcher) but ending up on the party’s left and beyond the pale for new sons of Blair/Thatcher, finding a new career as a television presenter.  I perhaps wonder too much!

    • AlanGiles

      I don’t think he will ever be on the left (I should say he will always be slightly to the right of Norman Tebbitt), but I can see him donning the slap to look pretty on TV perhaps on that sofa with Diane Abbott. I have no problem with that – you can always switch him off!

  • DavidSouthend

    The man was a waste of space as a Home Secretary (mind you that is a tautology with Labour Home Secs since 1997…) and part of our problems as a party so permanent “period of silence” would definitely be welcome from him. Clarke and Hoon were an irritating pain in the run up to the defeat in 2010 and haven’t exactly mucked in to help out since.

  • Andy Peacock

    i dont like charles Clarke ,i’m glad he didn’t get relected last General Election.

    • http://www.facebook.com/matthew.blott Matthew Blott

      Really? You prefer it that someone from the 0position won a Labour seat?

      • AlanGiles

        Matthew: If Clarke couldn’t retain his seat he is totally deluded to think he could have won the general election.

        Also, of course it begs the question as to WHY he couldn’t retain it and lost heavilly.

        Could it just possibly be that he wasn’t a very good constituency MP?

  • http://www.facebook.com/matthew.blott Matthew Blott

    Everyone seems to be laying it on to Big Ears here and what he says probably isn’t too helpful but he called it right on Gordon Brown. Anyone would have done better than someone who was quite possibly Britain’s worst post-war prime minister and it’s a pity the other spineless  lemmings of what passed as a cabinet didn’t have the gumption to see it and get rid of The Worst Communicator – if they had we might not have this rotten government now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

    This is the man who lost a safe seat to the LD’s, and nearly managed to come third. He was a failure as Home secretary, and now needs to keep his mouth shut, along with all the other bitter, defeated Blairites. They have absolutely nothing of any worth to say.

    • jaime taurosangastre candelas

      Very democratic, your instructions for people to keep their mouths shut.  Presumably, you’ll keep doing so until only the Mike Homfray-approved list of politicians remains approved of to say anything?

      Quite the Liverpudlian Gauleiter, it seems.  Except your power is only in your keyboard, and real life keeps on going, relentlessly ignoring you.  I’m glad of it.

      • AlanGiles

        Jaime Can you not recognize that Clarke’s outpourings were the observations of a bitter defeated old man?. The only surprise is that the Telegraph gave such prominence to such an old relic of the past – mischief making, of course – Clarke, The Telegraph, and – if you’ll allow me to say so – yourself

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZPXYLRVP4XOIGGDJWAL6HUO7U4 David

          @Alan: Ignoring who said the points above, do you disagree with what these observations are?  They seem relatively in touch to a number of the debates which are very active here on LL, and so if you disagree I would suggest that while there may be mileage in attacking the man, playing the ball would seem to be a more effective strategy to me.

          • AlanGiles

            David: I have said many times that I wish Ed Miliband would be his own man rather more, and stop looking over his shoulder wondering what some of his more disgruntled backbenchers think. It seems pretty clear there are still a hardcore of Blairites within the cabinet and without. He has made some questionable appointments (Liam Byrne most noticeably), but Cameron has made some pretty dodgy appointments himself (Lansley etc). No leader seems gto have the wisdom of Solomon, BUT Charles Clarke is the last man to be making judgements like this, considering what a poor minister he was, and the fact he is not now an ex-MP makes his opinions no more valid than anyone else.

            Why did he say what he did to the Telegraph:

            To be “helpful”?
            Because he is still angry and upset he was rejected by the voters?
            Because he has a particular person in mind for the job who might reward him in some way?
            or
            As he is starting a new round of lectures, perhaps he just wanted a bit of publicity?

            Or perhaps a mixture of all these things

            Whatever the reason(s) had he been a success as a minister and an M.P. his castigation might carry some weight, as it is it just seems petty and irrelevant.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZPXYLRVP4XOIGGDJWAL6HUO7U4 David

            You are still attacking the man.  The point is it’s not just a few “disgruntled backbenchers” saying this, is it?  On this site alone I’ve seen reference to a wide range of people, from political pundits from the left and right of the party and through grassroot supporters and union leaders, saying this or very similar things (admittedly not necessarily with the same “solutions” in mind, but the article as shown above doesn’t expound on any solutions Clarke may have mentioned).

            That Clarke is no poster boy for delivering the message doesn’t make it irrelevant.  All voices deserve the opportunity to be heard, do they not?

          • AlanGiles

            Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but is a failed minister who couldn’t even hold on to his own – fairly safe – seat, the best or most unbiased source?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZPXYLRVP4XOIGGDJWAL6HUO7U4 David

            Incredible: three times I have invited you to address the message, rather than the messenger, and three times you have ignored this challenge, and restated your view of the messenger.

            There are only two logical outcomes to draw from this: either that you can not, or that you will not, address the substance of the comments.  Neither lead me to particularly complimentary conclusions, I’m afraid.

          • AlanGiles

            Just between you and me David (and LL readers who are reading us) I don’t give a damn whether you have complimentary  conclusions to draw about me or not.

            At the risk of repeating myself: Ed Miliband needs to be his own man – he needs to stop worrying what his brother and his brother’s friends think about his leadership. He needs to map out his own policies and  ensure his shadow cabinet colleagues are pulling in the same direction.

            Ed Miliband, as I have said before, is an honest man (no expense scandals surround him) he entered Parliament in 2005, so was not responsible or complicit in Blair’s disastrous Iraq war. He has not concococted dodgy dossiers, and he has a lot going for him.

            He lacks experience (but then so did Cameron and Osborne), but provided his colleagues support him, he will gain in confidence.

            Again I repeat myself, but I think he deserves a chance to show how he can develop, without having old has-beens like Clarke trying to stir up trouble.

            I wish him well because if Labour were to ditch him and return to the battered old ornaments of the Blair years, I suspect the party would lose even more of it’s core vote. Also, the integrity of some of those people is questionable, not least that of Mr Clarke himself.

            Is that clear enough for you now?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZPXYLRVP4XOIGGDJWAL6HUO7U4 David

            Perfectly clear: you support EM but cannot defend the points made, and you think that repeating your dislike of both Clarke and other right wing elements of the party ad nauseum will somehow strengthen your point.

          • AlanGiles

            I’ve explained my position David. If it doesn’t make you happy, please go and play with somebody else

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZPXYLRVP4XOIGGDJWAL6HUO7U4 David

            There is no need to get aggressive Alan.  Your position neither makes me happy nor unhappy, but the fact that you continue to argue it does belie your suggestion that you “don’t give a damn” what I think.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

            Do they? Even if their aim is to destabilise the party then pretend to support, because it has moved away from the direction and the policies they would prefer?

            New Labour will never return. Never.

          • john Reid

            In 1980 when those who were about to form the SDP produced a document on militant teh NEC voted to not even read it, Yet after the 1983 election lots of people were listening toTony benns view that laobur had lost as It wasn’t left wing enough’ Newlaobur may never return, – I recall after the 1987 election one union boss said Unions should go to margaret Thathcer and negociated what they’d like to see and what they were prepared to give up, As he couldn’t see LAobur ever winning An election agian in his life time,

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

        I’d say I probably have more chance of being listened to than Clarke, as far as the Labour party is concerned – he’s utterly discredited.

    • john Reid

      Why was he a failure as Home sec, he cleared up Blunkett’s mistakes, it wasn’t A safe labour seat, it was tory up to 1997 and he lost by 300 votes ,because he couldn’t guarantee not viting to get rid of tuition fees ,the way the libDems winner did, and look what happened when the election was over the libdems went back on their word. i recall the by election for Ian gibsons seat down the road, there were alot of labour votes going to the greens, and the Libdems were ploughing a fortune into it, Becasue gordon didn’t like Clarke Labour didn’t spend much money there, everyones after that seat as a potential winner next time, why shouldn’t clarke express his views he had year of standing by Neil kinnock when people were oppsoing kinnocks work to maek Labour electable, both the Tory press and the far left of the Laobur party, if he done all that work for Kinnock to get laobur elected, Why shouldn’t he not want to see laobur swing so far to the left at the moment that the’yre not going to win the next election as people see this as goiong bacvk to unelectable old Labour. He laso voted aginst trident renewal so as Kinnocks right hand man he’s hardly a blairite.

    • http://www.facebook.com/matthew.blott Matthew Blott

      And you yourself don’t have much worth saying. You want to turn the Labour Party into the SWP.

      • treborc

         The labour party will do.

    • john Reid

      When the SDP left they felt t wasn’t the laobur party anymore it was Like SWP, When Neil Kinnock becamse leader his view that Labour had been infultrated by Trots, proves he felt the SDP were right.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

         I didn’t support Militant and dislike entryist tactics as much as you do. It comes as something of a joke when my views are branded as ‘SWP’ when I’m simply espousing traditional Labour left-of-centre stances.
        Kinnockm was always opposed to Militant, but he didn’t agree with all the policy positions of the SDP. Thats why people like him and Hattersley stayed in and fought – their approach reflects my own far more than the SWP!

      • treborc

         John mate come and join us in the period we are in now 2012 .

  • Tcstephens1

    “We need to have a clear narrative”, Ed is “weird and geeky”, Labour “has to explain what we did right and what we did wrong” … there really isn’t anything of any substance in what this man is saying, they’re not exactly subtle nuggets of wisdom, are they?!?!  Perhaps the print copy (which of course I haven’t read…) explains exactly what he prescribes as the solution to these problems, and exactly how the narrative should come about – but I doubt it. 

    Even when ED does the things Clarke is advocating the opposition carry on regardless. Balls did indeed admit Labour financial mistakes at conference recently – but (CRUCIALLY!) the Tories ignored it on Wednesday’s PMQs just afterwards, and essentially pretended he never said it. So Clarke is actually suggesting Labour re-admit a mistake we’ve already admitted to – and who will listen this time? 

    The issue is more fundamental, and here Clarke et al are due for criticism. Say what you like about the disingenuous Tory rhetoric of blaming labour, but it’s one that’s taken up by every section of the party from top to bottom, and repeated to a nauseating degree at every opportunity – and for every  angry boo at Question Time there’s an equally enthusiastic clap. Such a message may be mandated from the top, but it requires the consistent effort of even the most minor party commentators to get it through to people. One lone voice on a podium never cuts it. 

    Ed fails to even get his cabinet to caw to the same tune, but the silly thing is, if Miliband ever did fashion the sort of golden message Clarke is looking for, Clarke would never muster the selflessness to bite the bullet and go along with it. This I feel stems from the fact we’ve just lost an election and are consequently divided on where to go, and rather than accept the result, many at the top are content to both blame Ed for everything and do nothing to help him – the party just isn’t united enough. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7Z2KKBHSH4VQSKABV7ZSI3CVDQ WILLIAM

    I’m somewhat disliked on here for being impressed by and liking James Purnell.
    I should like to state that I was significantly less impressed by Clarke who I felt was churlish, petty, perpetually defensive and over-critical of others. He seemed to me to be motivated by personal rather than political reasons hence his venomous and wholly destructive attack on Brown.
    See the Blairite label is not and never can be fixed.

    • AlanGiles


      for being impressed by and liking James Purnell.”

      William, I  am genuinely interested in why?. This was the man who resigned his ministerial job on the evening of the 2009 EU elections, three hours before the polls closed in what was generally assumed to be the impression that David Miliband was about to mount a leadership challenge. So disloyalty and personal advantage (or what he THOUGHT would be his advantage) are well to the fore in his make-up

      And that ministerial job – the one where he was dragooning Freud’s welfare reform policy through the HoC AFTER Freud had decamped to the Tories – the reliance on ATOS, paid by results meaning that terminally ill people were being turned down for benefits. The man who bought extra suffering to people who were so ill. 

      Purnell the man who claimed full food allowance and putting in false claims for cleaning that was never done, at the same time as he was complaining about “benefit claimants playing the system”, happily playing the system himself as if there were no tomorrow.

      What is there to like about a hypocrite and scrounger like him?

    • Jeff_Harvey

      Impressed by and liking Purnell! You’re joking, right?

      • AlanGiles

        He never replied to us, Jeff!

  • http://twitter.com/longsight9a joseph edwards

    If Charles Clarke wants to retain what little credibility he has,he should shut up as he is
    damaging the party as he did in office,PLEASE SHUT UP

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Homfray/510980099 Mike Homfray

     Wilson wished that In Place of Strife had been passed – which, incidentally , did NOT come from the right of the party! It was promoted by Barbara Castle – a left winger through and through – and the opponnts weren the right wing union leaders, and in parliament, James Callaghan! The aim was to consign ‘free collective bargaining’ to history, it being seen as an essentially free market tool. Castle was right and if we had listened to her Thatcher would have never been elected

  • treborc

     Unions John as you well know always negotiate with whom ever is in power, not to do so would be totally wrong.

    Not all Union are Labour many of them are free to join what political party they agree with at that time.

    My Union once did a head count of Liberals Tories and labour people, 16 labour, 15 Tories and seven Liberals with a mixture of other.

    You join a Union not a political party

  • treborc

     Gosh John if you want to know who had the best fight with the Union seen the requests for funding do not listen to the hype used to sell books mate.

    Callaghan had battles with the Union then went with begging bowels for funding

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