Why I went from Blue to Red

February 12, 2012 9:13 pm

Saturday May 15th 2010 is a day which will stay in my mind for some time. It is the day I joined the Labour Party. You might not think there is anything special in that, but for the previous 6 years I had been a member of the Conservatives.

I should have joined Labour much sooner, growing up in a working class household and benefiting as I did from so many of their policies: EMA enabled me to go to sixth form; student grants enabled me to go to university (the first in my family) and working tax credits allowed my mum to provide all we needed, to name a few. Like so many working class families, however, mine was firmly in the small-state, help yourself and not others mind set which typified the Tories.

It wasn’t until after university that I came into contact with a Labour politician, my local MP Nick Palmer. During the passage of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill, Nick had I talked about various issues, and though we didn’t agree, the debate was constructive and sensible. This was in contrast to the Tory candidate, whose only response was to agree with all of my points, only days after she had given an interview to the Guardian where she explained her opinion was the exact opposite to mine. The seeds of doubt were sown.

A short while later I set up ‘Conservatives for Nick Palmer’ in Broxtowe, as far as I know the first group in the country where voters of one of the big parties were publically backing a candidate from another. It was a tough decision for an aspiring politician, but I knew it was right for Broxtowe, which had to be more important than my personal ambitions. By polling day we had over 300 people, including former Tory councillors, backing Nick. The Tories didn’t take this laying down, an angry phone call with the local party chairman left me in no doubt what they thought of me. Two days later came the letter in the post telling me I had been expelled.

I was always told that you didn’t really know someone until you’d spent a night in a tent with them, and I realised you never knew a political party until they were close to power. Tories in opposition seemed nice enough – I certainly fell for the rebranding exercise – but arguing over foreign aid figures, plans to privatise the NHS and cutting support for the most vulnerable in society was something totally different. When my 99 year old blind great-nan had her talking books stopped because of government cuts, I knew I had made the right decision, just too late.

Nick lost the election by 388 votes, but the experience of being part of a Labour campaign team, and the contrast with the Tory teams I’d experienced, made me realise that Labour was where my heart, and my head, belonged. Concerned with others, not just self, and the common good, rather than narrow interests of a few.

As with all political defections, the new party made a fuss, allowing me to make a speech at Conference to highlight my switch. The Tories shrugged their shoulders and said I’d always been a left-winger, and I was no great loss (both probably true). I didn’t move for the fanfare, even locally, but because it was the right thing to do. Similarly, Labour shouldn’t be overly concerned when people leave when we’re in opposition, some will have genuine policy concerns, while some will enjoy being in government regardless of party.

I hope that the group we pioneered in Broxtowe can be repeated throughout the country at elections in the future. Decent, hardworking, Labour politicians connecting with people, regardless of their own political views. The tribal ‘us and them’ of British politics which turns off so many voters should be forcing us to seek out people who wouldn’t naturally agree with us, not necessarily to get involved with campaigns, but to engage in dialogue. Who knows how many majorities we might overturn in 2015 that way?

  • Anonymous

    “I hope that the group we pioneered in Broxtowe can be repeated throughout the country at elections in the future.”

    What if the boot was on the other foot, I wonder if Labour high command would sympathise with a ‘Labour for Mr/Mrs Tory Candidate” splinter group?

    Somehow I think not.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=697126564 Paul Halsall

      The idea of “Conservatives for Labour” and other permutations makes a certain amount of sense in the US, where party affiliation is whatever anyone states on voter registration forms.  But it does not make much sense in the way politics is structured in the UK.

  • Anonymous

    Brave move Russell- I admire you, and think more politicians
    should stand by principles, not just for opportunistic gain.
    As you say, a lot depends on individuals’ personal qualities too,
    and what they can offer to the local community?

    Sounds like you’ve had a warm welcome, and I wish you luck
    with Labour.

    Jo

  • Anonymous


    A short while later I set up ‘Conservatives for Nick Palmer’ in Broxtowe, as far as I know the first group in the country where voters of one of the big parties were publically backing a candidate from another. ”

    I hope you will forgive me, Russell, if I sound a trifle brusque, but I find it strange that such odd behaviour is considered praiseworthy, if it is in the “right direction”

    Just imagine how you and fellow LL readers would feel if I announced I was setting up a “Labour for Michael Gove” campaign (don’t worry, I’m not – hell would have to freeze over first!) but surely it would have been more honest and straightforward to have left your old party then joined Labour, rather than take this somewhat (I’m sorry) self-seeking step.

    You go on to say….

    “It was a tough decision for an aspiring politician”.

    Ah! there’s the rub!. I suppose it will appear rather braver to have taken this route, rather than just become an anonymous  foot soldier for Labour. On the contrary, I would suggest to you, it was rather a clever decision. A few Brownie points earned, no doubt

    I was a member of the Labour Party for many years before I overdosed on the excesses of Blairism, and left, but though I have voted Green, I have never joined the party as I cannot subscribe to all of their aims, praiseworthy though they may be – some are just impractical.

    I am, if you will allow me to say so, just a little sceptical of grand gestures, but I have no doubt that being able to be so “adaptable” will serve you well in your political career.

    • Anonymous

      Broxtowe is a very marginal seat.  Maybe Labour needs a new candidate?

      • Anonymous

        I should have checked before I posted: Mr Whiting is already a local councillor!  Otherwise, he is looking for work: http://www.staplefordtowncouncil.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=6616

        • Anonymous

          MP next then

        • Anonymous

          Yes, elected May 2011:

          http://www.broxtowe.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=784 

          So turncoat to a seat on the council in twelve months – well done Russ.

          It might have been a little more honest had he mentioned this in his article, instead of that guff about being an “aspiring politician”: He already is on – a young man in a hurry.

          I think Shaun Woodward  would be proud of him

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001102865655 John Ruddy

            Not really. Remember Woodward changed from being a Tory MP to being a Labour one, and then was found a safe Labour seat for the following election.

          • Anonymous

            Give him time, John. From jumping ship in May 2010 to becoming Counsellor in May 2011 is quite rapid, and there are three years before the next election!

  • Anonymous

    Forgive me for being not as educated as others one here, but your educated you say you had EMA you went to University, you had a working class family and you joined the Tories.

    I’d say you looked at where you were best suited to find employment, decided the Tories were not that place and you headed for the Labour party. Another person in the same shape and form as Frankie Field, ideology is not important as the ease of working your ways up the ranks.

    You did not joined because the ideology was that which  made you a socialist.

    To be honest we have enough people like this in the party already

    • http://twitter.com/_DaveTalbot David Talbot

      Ah yes, Treborc, quick as ever with your swivel-eyed analysis and ever-narrowing definition of what makes someone Labour. It’s pure romanticism, and dangerous at that. How do you think Labour will win the next election? By comforting you, or reaching out to the millions who did not vote Labour in 2010? Just 29% of the electorate voted Labour in 2010, a result that would mike Michael Foot blush. Many of those that we need to win over are, dare I say, Tories. It’s simple electoral arithmetic. 

      Too many on the Left don’t quite get this, or choose not to. People change parties all the time. People change and tailor their voting habits all the time. But for our heroic Left, this is too much. You are either born with ‘Aneurin Bevan’ etched on your back or you are not welcome in the Labour party. The continued use of such mindless logic will only ensure one outcome, and ironically the one you wish so vehemently not to see – successive Conservative governance.

      Welcome Russell. We need you.

      • Anonymous

        David, 29% of the vote. Would you not agree that it means a lot of the core support either stayed at home or voted for another party. I doubt it was just the former Conservatives who voted Labour returning to the Conservatives. You need voters like treborc (and me possibly)  but you are doing nothing in you response to encourage him back.

        I don’t wish to impugn Russell’s motives, but I do have to say it is damned odd to start campaigning for Labour whilst a member of the Conservative party. I can understand some of his motives, and I give him credit for admitting he is “an aspiring politician”, but I cannot help feeling his bizarre campaign was to bring him some personal attention and publicity, and that his conversion was – how to say? – motivated by opportunism.

        People (including myself) had enough to say when Luke Bozier jumped ship and went in the opposite direction last month. Again, Mr Bozier didn’t do it quietly, he had to get on a soapbox and shout about it.

        At one time if you left one of the two major parties, you tended to go to the Liberals, or Lib-Dems as a sort of “halfway” house, perhaps we need to start a new party called the Labourite Tories or the Tory Labourites.

        I think Mr Bozier – and indeed, Mr Whiting – has to expect a certain amount of scrutiny if they chose to make such a public display of their new affilliations

      • Anonymous

        Ah says a lot that you see me to the left, actually I’m more to the far right these the very far right, way beyond labour or new labour.

        • http://twitter.com/gonzozzz dave stone

          If Lianne Woods wins the leadership of Plaid they will present a very serious challenge to Labour.

          In fact, it could be the beginning of the end for Labour in Wales.
          Let’s hope Labour are still able to recognise a wake-up call/reality check when they see/hear it.

          • Anonymous

            The same problem in Scotland Labour became the party associated with New labour, and they did not try really to make any bid to be different.

            But I suspect the Welsh labour party are trying, if I could  join a Labour party in Wales without it being associated with new labour I would have,

             EMA is seeing  young people move into College, free prescriptions, no more sale of Council houses is coming next, free blue badges,  the NHS to be kept as it is, although we are seeing trouble with funding, nope I will stay on the out side until I see where labour will end up.

            I had my 47th Christmas card this year from Labour, I have had a number of invitations to attend meetings, so why children argue I’m not Labour, I just smile, the problem is I’m not English Labour5 or New labour.

            The problem as in Scotland now which party is the socialist party Labour SNP or Plaid.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001102865655 John Ruddy

            I dont think the SNP can be anything like a socialist party! Their first response to the recession was to want to cut corporation tax for the richest, and have you ever wondered where all those tories i Scotland have gone? The conservatives are the only party to have won more than 50% of the vote up here. They sure as hell didnt defect to Labour….

          • Anonymous

            Perhaps we may well see labour back in the coming years, I’d not like to  put a bet on it.

            The SNP is offering more then Labour did, even if it just a show, it’s costing £3 million in Wales for free prescriptions, it stated you can have free elderly bus travel, free Disablity  bus travel. EMA is in Wales, and they stated they are going to look at ending University fee’s, at the moment it’s held at £3000 not the £6000 labour stated.

            people are in fact  fed up with Labour following the Tories it was labour that put tuition fees forward, it was labour that charged for medication.

            It has been never ending attack on the people at the bottom

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001102865655 John Ruddy

            Since I dont live in Wales, I wouldnt presume to comment on things I wouldnt know about with regards to Plaid (or even Welsh Labour). 

            I suggest you do a lot more research before holding up the SNP as some kind of defender of public services.

            They’ve been under attack since 2007 up here – the health service budget will fall by £319m in real terms – over 1,000 nurses have already lost their jobs and thats before we go into the strain on local authorities or the pay freeze we have had – again for some years.

        • http://twitter.com/_DaveTalbot David Talbot

          So why did you use “we” when talking about the Labour party then, Treborc? Fraid I don’t believe you and I doubt you’ll be able to see  the hypocrisy of attacking someone for a lack of ideology when you yourself aren’t even a supporter of the party in question.

          • Anonymous

            true but I might enjoy winding up the silly new labour lot

          • http://twitter.com/_DaveTalbot David Talbot

            Or coming across as a prat. Either or

          • Anonymous

            nappy rash getting to you

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001102865655 John Ruddy

        You must forgive Robert. I have come to the conclusion that at some point in the past he was overlooked for a seat which was won by one of these “New Labour” types he so despises. Its the only thing which makes sense.

        • Anonymous

          Well at least I can tell the difference between New labour and real labour. And I would not have ended up in a court of law for greed.

          • http://twitter.com/_DaveTalbot David Talbot

            That’s a yes, then.

          • Anonymous

            You can get cream if the rash is so severe

  • http://www.figurewizard.com Joe Jonkler

    A group like this going in either direction sounds a bit like ‘turkeys for Christmas.’

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Barker/1546990341 Paul Barker

    Kitten joins sinking ship.

    • Anonymous

      Could you explain?

    • http://twitter.com/gonzozzz dave stone

      Too many kittens spoil the broth.

  • GuestTory

    Now I am someone who has taken a similar sort of journey to yourself but in the opposite direction.

    I have never regretted my move, because it was done for ideological reasons, not because I wanted a quick career as a local councillor… 

  • Anonymous

    Mr Whiting, just on the off-chance you are reading this, but not seen the messages towards the end of the thread, I wonder if you would mind explaining why, in your article, you failed to mention that though you may not forget May 15th 2010,  as the day you joined Labour, after being expelled by the Conservatives, you didn’t mention May 6th 2011, when you were, in fact, elected as one of two Labour councillors (the others being LibDems)?. That was just 50 weeks later.

    http://www.broxtowe.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=784 

    You said you were an “aspiring” politician, not an elected one. Perhaps it was just an oversight?

    You never know, you may become the new John Hutton

    • Anonymous

      You never know, you may become the new John Hutton

      Now that’s a thought

  • Nick Palmer

    As the beneficiary of Russell’s decision, I’d like to comment too. First, on the “Conservatives for Palmer” group – this was set up for people who were torn between wanting a change nationally and preferring me as their local MP.  It was an ultra-marginal seat and we wanted to give them a way to express their national political views and still support us. It’s possible to argue that people should never vote for the candidate, only for the party, but I think that’s a mistake – there should be some scope for us to win support purely by being good MPs. Not everyone is as partisan we are, and frankly it’s a bit bonkers to turn away supporters because they don’t immediately want to embrace the party too.

    In Russell’s case, I thought it was particularly brave, since at that point he was still thinking as a Conservative and jettisoning his hopes of a career with them, and putting into practice the much-espoused but seldom-practiced idea that one should actually look at the candidates.

    After the election dust had settled, Russell gave it further thought and decided that he’d like to join the party as well. By that time, he’d got to know the local party well, and decided he shared our values and wanted to be part of it. In due course we asked him if he’d like to be on the list for a town council, and he agreed to do it. Anyone who has ever been anywhere near a parish or town council will know that this isn’t exactly a breakthrough to fame, power and riches. We were glad that he was willing to do it. Perhaps some of you have lots of party members keen to stand for these things? Wow. Count your blessings.

    And really, guys, are we so overwhelmed with membership applications that we need to eye with suspicion everyone who applies to join? It was good and idealistic of Russell to do it and I hope people who weren’t involved will take my word for it.

    Oh, and yes, if a Labour Party member decided he liked his local Tory MP’s responses and later went on to join the Tories, I wouldn’t slag him off either. People have a right to change their minds, and in view of the result of the 2010 election, isn’t that just as well for us?

    • Anonymous

      Mr Palmer – Mr Whiting was well rewarded for his “bravery”, wasn’t he?.

      I suspect that being a pragmatic sort of chap and wanting to  be a politician the offer to become a councillor was more achievable from Labour?

      It reminds me a little of the David Freud story – he worked for Labour with no reward, so he went off to the Tories who gave him a title.

      I’m sorry despite your defence, I find Mr Whiting to be a careerist and an opportunist, and he fact he didn’t mention his rapid rise to a degree of success, seems somewhat phoney

      • Nick Palmer

        I’ve been a Party member for over 40 years, but the idea that being a town councillor is a “reward” seems to me OTT. It’s the sort of thing that people do to help out, like being branch treasurer. Frankly, we never have enough people willing to do it. Have you volunteered to do it yourself?

        • Anonymous

          When I was of an age to do it, I didn’t have the time, as I was working full time and studying at nights. Now I have the free time, I am so disillusioned with what has happened to the Labour party, that I would be a hypocrite to do it. I am afraid ToryLite New Labour did that to me, which is why I find thkis political party bed-hopping rather suspect. I do not believe people change their principles just like that.

          We will never agree on this Mr Palmer.  For somebody with political aspirations “even” this is the first step on the ladder, and it seems frankly incredible somebody had “ambitions” with one party while campaigning for the opposing party – it seems somewhat unprincipled, and I still wonder why Mr Whitingn didn’t see fit to mention that he was a Labour councillor in his article – the article gives the impression of a naive virgin. I am sure it couldn’t have slipped his mind. Surely if he can remember May 2010, he can remember May 6th 2011?

          It would also be nice if Mr Whiting would speak for himself, rather than you doing it for him, mind of you though it is to do so.. People write these LL articles but very few have the courtesy to come back and respond, sadly

          • John Ruddy

            Nick has a point, though Alan. Being a councillor isnt an automatic stepping stone to becoming an MP. Standing as a candidate doubly so. Its hardly a reward, as there is also a lot of hard work involved.
             
            In our local elections, we are struggling to find enough people to stand one candidate in every ward. Castigating those who do stand in the way you have will not help encourage people to come forward in the future.

          • Anonymous

            John I wouldn’t wish to discourage anyone, however, the circumstances in this particular instance seem somewhat strange – giving the impression that you were actually fighting for one party, whilst supporting another when – by his own admission – he hadn’t actively campaigned for them for several years. It seems rather vainglorious, and smacks of attention seeking.

  • Anonymous

    Elections are decided by voters who change how they vote.  This seems normal behaviour to me, because I assume most of these voters are apolitical people with little interest in politics.  People who actually join political parties are exceptionally interested in politics and I find it difficult to understand people who actually join the wrong party!  To put it mildly, it does show a lack of judgement or even integrity.
     
    I considered leaving Labour after Iraq and actually voted Lib Dem in 2005.  However, I decided that Labour was the only party that I would ever join despite numerous criticisms of the party from the left and right over the years.  
     
    Sorry Russell, but  turncoats are dodgy characters and the Tories were quite right to expel you.  

    • Anonymous

      You’ve put it very well RobertCP. Like you, I have voted for another party (Greens in my case), but even today, though I haven’t liked the drift of Labour for a number of years, I wouldn’t join another party, because, after so many years, that to me would be disloyal both to my beliefs and life experience and my original political home, and the leader of it at the time,  Harold Wilson – illogical as that might sound to some people.

      I could understand a disillusioned Tory voting for UKIP if the EU is a big concern to them, or LibDem if they were a little to the left but Tory at heart. Similarily, I know a number of Labour supporters who have voted Green or LibDem – but to completely change sides, shows either that the two main parties are now too close together – or – and I think this is more likely – that a career was more important than principles in this particular case. The people applauding Mr Whiting are the same ones who were castigating Luke Bozier (and that included me) just a few weeks ago for doing the same thing in reverse.

      I think though to apparently be campaigning for one party, while at the same time, openly working for the other main party shows great disloyalty. There is not even the mitigation that his original party held such a commanding lead over their opponents, a few votes would make no difference – this is a highly marginal seat, and as Mr Whiting has not come back to explain his position further, I think we are all entitled to draw our own conclusions as to why he acted in the way he did.

      • Anonymous

        I agree Alan.   I also share your soft spot for Harold Wilson.

  • http://twitter.com/RussellWhiTing Russell Whiting

    Thanks for the comments everyone, very entertaining reading. Apologies for not having posted a reply sooner, I thought I had done so last night but it evidently didn’t get through.
    Alan and Anotheroldboy are right to point out I was elected to the Town Council in 2011. There were 6 seats being contested, previously all Lib Dem, and Labour only had two people interested in standing, so I put my name forward. After campaigning and leafleting for some months, I was elected. It isn’t a ‘career’ or ‘work’, and frankly, the fact you would think so shows slight inexperience of first hand local Government. The reason it wasn’t originally mentioned in the piece is that it was about my decision to change sides, with a brief mention of the fuss Labour made about me, not a up-to-date account of my great electoral successes. Although I am honoured that people spend their Monday afternoons typing my name into Google, something not even I usually do.  
    I should have also perhaps added that I hadn’t campaigned actively with the Tories since 2005, but again, as that fact didn’t feature in my decision to join Labour, I omitted it. I didn’t realise readers would have such a lust for every detail of my political activity.
    On the more general point about changing parties, isn’t one entitled to change one’s mind about certain issues? And after serious consideration and conversation with those on both sides of the divide, can’t one decide that one’s original choice of party was wrong? I’m happy to be accused of joining the Tories before fully considering my own views with sufficient depth. I’ve always been willing to change my mind after thought or debate, but I know that isn’t to everyone’s taste.
    If a member of the Labour Party feels strongly about a certain issue, and is faced with a dilemma in their constituency (say has strong views on animal welfare, but is faced with a pro-hunt Labour MP or an anti-hunt Tory MP) and the election appears to be so close that engaging with people who may feel the same way could make a difference, who are we to judge them.
    I know not everyone will like my choice, and some feel it appropriate to make personal insults (none so far up to the Tories standards) but the overwhelming majority of Labour members who I’ve talked to about my switch have either been supportive, or couldn’t care less, which I dare say is the position of around 99% of those who aren’t as interested in politics as we are.

    • Anonymous


      After campaigning and leafleting for some months, I was elected. It isn’t a ‘career’ or ‘work’, and frankly, the fact you would think so shows slight inexperience of first hand local Government. The reason it wasn’t originally mentioned in the piece is that it was about my decision to change sides, with a brief mention of the fuss Labour made about me ”

      All credit to you for replying Mr Whiting. For somebody with political aspirations however,  being a “humble” councillor is the first step on the ladder. We must assume you were not aware of that.

      Mr. Palmer and yourself, to some extent, have implied that you are somehow doing your party a great favour by putting yourself forward. At one time, being elected a councillor was considered something of an hour, a chance to serve. Perhaps times have changed.

      Your current reply elucidates some point: This post “ I hadn’t campaigned actively with the Tories since 2005,”, which is slightly at odds with the original:

      “voters of one of the big parties were publically backing a candidate from another. It was a tough decision for an aspiring politician”

      I think any reasonable person would have interpreted that as you, setting up this group, was actively campaigning for the Conservative Party concurrently. Instead of which you spent 5 years in limbo, so to speak.

      So I just want to make sure that I have got this right: You were in the Conservative Party for 6 years, but hadn’t campaigned for them for the past 5/6 years, however you still regarded yourself as a a Conservative until 2010 when you changed sides?

      You sound a little confused, if I may say so. I wonder what you will do if there should be a Conservative landslide in 2015 – I hope it doesn’t happen, but then anything can happen.

      If I can offer you one word of advice: I wouldn’t let the people you represent know that you and Mr Palmer feel you are doing them a favour by representing them. I would suggest that they have been the ones generous enough to give you a chance.

      • http://twitter.com/RussellWhiTing Russell Whiting

        Alan, if I may say so, I think you are reading into the comments which have been made about my election, rather than just reading them. I wouldn’t say I considered myself as a Conservative in 2010, but probably a conservative (on some issues) again not an easy concept for some to understand, and I know not everyone appreciate it.
        On my current position, I’ll try to be as clear as possible, and hope this clarifies it for everyone. Stapleford North has 6 seats on the Town Council. Before 2011 all 6 were Lib Dem. Labour had 3 members in the ward, and only 1 wanted to stand, another from a neighbouring ward wanted to stand. That meant we were effectively gifting the Lib Dems 4 seats, which seemed crazy. So I offered (in reply to a plea from the branch) to stand. We then campaigned for some time, and won two of the seats. Although unexpected, it is a privilege to serve Labour, but mostly the people who elected me.   

        • Anonymous

          Mr Whiting, one of us is confused. You now say:


          “ I wouldn’t say I considered myself as a Conservative in 2010, but probably a conservative  ”

          Yet  that is at odds with:  
          “You might not think there is anything special in that, but for the previous 6 years I had been a member of the Conservatives….”¬

          Capital “C”

          “…A short while later I set up ‘Conservatives for Nick Palmer’ in Broxtowe, as far as I know the first group in the country where voters of one of the big parties were publically backing a candidate from another”

          So, let me see if I have this right: You had not really been a Conservative since the time you joined them, BUT you found it convenient/helpful/expedient – whichever word you choose, to set up a group  called “Conservatives for….” (Capital “C” again), and in saying “voters from one of the big parties publically backing a candidate from another”

          So you were not voting Conservative at the time you started a group with that word in it’s title?

          It begs the question, Mr Whiting – WHY?

          Why the need to draw attention to yourself with starting a group?

          Why not just quietly leave the Conservative party with no fuss (a simple letter of resignation would have been enough) instead of this public declaration?. When I left Labour I merely sent a letter saying I would not be paying a subscription any longer, and giving my reasons why. Having quietly left them you could have quietly joined the Labour party.

          It seems to me, if you will allow me to say so, that you did what you did for not entirely unselfish motives, and to create for yourself some sort of attention.

          • http://twitter.com/RussellWhiTing Russell Whiting

            Alan, you are indeed confused.

          • Anonymous

            But not nearly so much as you are, Mr Whiting.

            You hadn’t campaigned for your original party for several years, but the article you originally wrote doesn’t say that, it suggests that you were actively involved with your first party.

            I don’t think there is much more to say on the matter. We are all entitled to form our own opinions as to why you chose to draw attention to yourself. Self-advertisement is not an especially admirable quality.

          • Anonymous

            Come on Alan, Russell from what i can gather is relatively young and as such has probably been making up his mind. Being a member of a party for younger people especially in itself is a pretty big thing, it shows a positive commitment. Clearly over time Russell has come to realise the many flaws of the Conservative party and that it has come a long way from one nation conservatism. He has joined Labour, admittedly with some political aspirations, and these switches are always fanfared as they seem to suggest that one side is better than the other even to those who are meant to be on the ‘other side’. This whole piece is a bit of political ‘puff’ and I don;t really see anything especially helpful in setting up the groups advocated. Finding out what issues casue people to change over and what issues to campaign on may be of more value.

          • Anonymous

            With all due respect, I think we have given enough time t0 this attention seeker. His article contained omissions and I think his motives can be summed up in two of his own words:  ”POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS”

          • Nick Palmer

            To clarify one point – the idea of setting up Conservatives for Palmer was mine.  We were encountering lots of people when canvassing who said variations on “I want a change of Government/don’t like that Gordon Brown but I’d like to keep you as our MP, I don’t know what to do.” We’d also encountered a few, including Russell, who had got to the next stage: “…so I’ve decided to vote for you.” I wanted to encourage more of the people who felt the same to come down on our side, and raising the profile of people who had chosen that was the way to do it. So I asked Russell if he’d set it up and a number of others longstanding Tory members who I knew supported me if they’d help. I’m grateful that they did, and disappointed that they’re criticised for it.

            Now look, one can be too austere about politics. Sure, he could have discreetly written a quiet letter and slipped over with nobody looking: I’m sure the Tories would have appreciated that olde worlde discretion. But this wasn’t a gavotte, it was an election that decides whether 70 million people get governed by us or the Tories, and as you know we came within an ace of frustrating Cameron – the arithmetic just wasn’t quite enough, but with one or two more seats it could have been.

            I think it’s bizarre that we’re even *discussing* whether someone switching support should be kept quiet in an election in a marginal seat. Of course we ruddy highlighted it! We’d have been daft not to. But if you disagree, don’t blame Russell and the others involved. Blame me – and take the “offence” of keeping the Tory swing down to one of the lowest in the country into consideration.

            Or, of course, you could do something constructive and rejoin Labour yourself?

          • Anonymous

            Mr  Palmer I can’t and won’t return to Labour while it continues to be a lighter blue version of the Conservative party, where there is so little difference in policy that on some issues, Labour has to scrabble around to try to find some minor difference in presentation, nor while some of the discredited names of the past continue to try to preserve their careers.

            What I can’t stand is the pretence that measures which Labour introduced themselves, most seriously the Purnell/Freud welfare reforms – ATOS denying benefits to seriously, even dangerously ill people to give them even more to worry about: Labour started all that, Mr Palmer, the coalition are just continuing the policies Labour started even retaining the ageing investment banker Blair Brown and Purnell  first employed -was  nothing to do with them.

            It is time for some basic honesty, and a frank admission that they started  the job the coalition has persisted with.

            Finally I will not return to Labour while there is a danger David Miliband could return from his strop, assume the leadership and drag the party even further to the right. He has been being a busy boy lately. Also (small point)  I cant stand politicians who start a sentence with the word “look” – far too schoolmasterish

            I found Blair’s greed and self-serving nauseating and the stink hasn’t gone away yet, and it may not go away at all if too many “Conservative Labour” politicians get their feet under the table

          • Anonymous

            The Conservatives for Palmer group was a good idea and it almost worked. 

    • Anonymous

      With a smug and superior attitude like that you will go far.

  • John Ruddy

    Yes, though I’m sure that Robert (treborc) will still manage to castigate the privately educated barrister who supported Gallipoli  and opposed the General Striek of 1926 as not being real Labour.

  • jaime taurosangastre candelas

    Clement Attlee was a truly principled man who also had an opportunity – which he took – to fundamentally change our society.  I offered to Mark to write a post on him so that more LL readers who perhaps have not read the history could appreciate what he was able to achieve.  Sadly, as I am not a Labour Party member Mark cannot publish that article on LL.

  • Anonymous

    Russell, I don’t know you and I accept that your decision to join the Tories was a youthful mistake.  It would, however, be a good idea to stay in the Labour Party for a while!  

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