Are we set for a quiet conference this year? (And why “more votes at conference” isn’t the answer)

September 13, 2012 2:16 pm

In a sense every Labour conference these days is a bit of a quiet conference, as there’s little in the way of intrigue and almost nothing in the way of democracy. That’s why I (somewhat tongue in cheek) suggested a few weeks ago that conference should be abolished. Now anyone who has ever spoken to me about conference knows I actually quite enjoy it, but what I was trying to do was start a debate about what conference is for. Neil Lawson has done something similar over at the New Statesman today (I’ll come to Neil’s argument – and where I disagree with him – in a bit).

But what really concerns me is that party political conferences – because the point of them is not immediately clear in the way it once was – could end up withering away. And that was bright home to me by the latest LabourList State of the Party survey, which showed that a huge 63% of our readers won’t be attending conference this year, and only 27% definitely will be. Now those percentages are still quite high when compared to the nation at large (where spending nearly a week at a political conference is seen as a sign of being a bit strange), but considering that LabourList readers are already vastly more likely to be interested/involved in politics, the fact that such a small percentage are going is a cause for concern.

But not surprising.

Back when I initially had a pop at the modern party political conference, and its dwindling relevance, Toby Perkins MP put forward a passionate and thoughtful response which largely focused on the opportunity for party activists to become engaged with debates in their party and meet MPs. There is much to recommend about Toby’s response and I’d urge you to read it – but my concern is that the cost and length of party conferences, when combined with their somewhat obtuse nature, simply make conference a further example of our out of touch political culture. Of course you can use Labour conference to meet politicans and join debates – but you need to be a member, either become a delegate or pay a sizeable entry fee, sort out travel and accomodation for nearly a week, and take a week off work.

For many of even the most dedicated Labour supporters, that’s not feasible. Especially when conferences often resemble alcohol soaked talking shops.

Which brings us to Neil Lawson’s argument over at the New Statesman. Neil seems to long for a halcyon time when the party activist would live for the humming of a photocopier and the opportunity to thrust their recently scrawled leaflet into the hand of the engaged and dedicated conference delegate, who would consider the views of the pamphlet, engage with them, and allow such treatise to influence their vote. A sort of pure and open party democracy for all:

“We spent the day organising votes, handing out our leaflets and daily bulletins.  The nights were spent on rudimentary computers and typesetting equipment producing the materials for the next day before going down to a printer in the basement of some dodgy B&B that churned away all night. We slept on floors and ate chips.”

Now I must admit that these conference of which Neil speaks were well before my time, and I speak with the benefit of hindsight. But that doesn’t seem to be what party conferences were like back then at all. They appear to have been divisive, shouty, angry affairs, focussed on issues that didn’t seem to have direct relevance to people watching at home, and which suggested we probably shouldn’t be trusted with the keys to Downing Street.

And I hate to get all electoral about this, but you can’t change the country if you can’t win an election. Therefore, an election which damages our chances of winning elections is A Bad Thing.

Now I’m all in favour of more party democracy, as regular readers will know, but I’d much rather hand it to – for example – the NPF, which is elected by a ballot of all members, rather than conference, which is selected by CLP delegates months and months before conference. Often – in the case of some CLPs I’ve been a member of, the meeting to select conference delegates is barely quorate, and the delegates selected are those who can be encouraged to go, rather than, perhaps, those who have a burning desire to represent the views of the CLP on a national stage. Unrepresentative CLP meetings elect those who can be bothered to go, creating unrepresentative conference delegations.

That doesn’t sound like a massive and beneficial democratic upgrade to me. The party from root to branch is too desiccated and democratically defunct for something like that to work.

“Back in the real world, people go to festivals of music, books, poetry and comedy”, says Lawson. Yes they do. And most of those events are dominated by fringe meetings that look – whisper it – much like the politcal fringes that surround party conferences. In fact, some of the fringes at Labour conferences this year look far more appetising than some of the fare available at Hay-on-Wye, but I’m a political obsessive, so I would say that.

Lawson also wants to see Labour conference “billed as the Forum for Responsible Capitalism?” I can see why that may appeal to some, but it’s an idea as founded in the Westminster Village wonkery as any obscure Labour Party conference event. It’s not in the language that ordinary people employ, and is an excluding as any amount of security fencing.

In short, party political conferences don’t work as they are, exclude ordinary people, and are of dwindling importance. However the alternatives seem to either involve returning to a kind of conference that either didn’t even exist (and if they did, wouldn’t be that democratic and would be a liability) or a sort of amorphous community forum with attendant flip charts.

Maybe I should have taken my tongue out of my cheek when I called for them to be scrapped after all…but let me leave you with three quick suggestions for a better conference to chew over. Make them cheaper. Make them shorter. And make them over weekends. That might draw in more ordinary members at a stroke. We can tackle the other – multitudinous – problems once we’ve actually got people turning up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504853582 Paul Prentice

    Some really good points here, Mark. I stopped going to conferences a few years ago – I actually used to enjoy them – but with the bureaucracy, time and cost involved (and the dubious issue of representation of the parties that can afford to send members as opposed to those that can’t) they have indeed lost their relevance. And I don’t believe that the blame should be laid at New Labour’s door as I’m sure a lot of other members might say.
    Your suggestions are inherently in tune with the sort of movement Labour should be these days – we need to stop conferences being a bloated Westminster talking shop and make them genuinely open and easy to attend for members of all incomes. Making conferences a real focal point again could really do wonders for the health of the Labour party.

  • PeteWilson89

    I wasn’t sure how much I agreed with this until the final three suggestions – a cheaper weekend would probably greatly boost involvement. I was keen to go this year but cost and time made it impossible.

    Greater democracy is a must but frankly getting normal members into fringe meetings to debate new ideas should be the life blood of conference.

  • AdamTheSuit

    Hmm… but are they really forums for engagement with the public?  They are club ‘away days’ or pilgramages for the faithful.  And nothing wrong with that.  It’s good to meet fellow obsessive types, with the powerful and just get drunk with people who talk ‘wonk’.  They are also one of the few occasions when the media will give a platform outside parliament to both Gov and Opposition.  You’re right about cheaper, shorter and at weekends mind; even if they do clash with the football…

  • ColinAdkins

    Photocopiers – I remember the days of gestetners! Sorry I think you have to have conference if merely for a form of social solidarity between activists. Neil speaks for the vested interest of think tanks and grouplets who long wanted to ‘outsource’ decision making and influence to themselves. This was a trend driven under New Labour where the witterings of these groups were considered to be ‘objective’ as they were ‘independent’ as opposed to the ‘vested’ interests of the trade unions. Party conference became like a trade fair where most delegates in my memory were either from one of these think tanks or were lobbyists. They were the real vested interests as the trade unions really represented someone.

  • http://twitter.com/mbeevor Matthew Beevor

    The thing you’re forgetting of course is, there is no other time in the annual calendar that a political party gets dominant media coverage from morning to night.  Labour Party Conference, and the other party conferences for that matter, are the only time that the party is guaranteed full coverage of everything its politicians say: Today, Breakfast, 6 o’ clock, 10 o’clock – all of them will lead with the headlines from Manchester/Liverpool/Brighton *delete as appropriate.  Add to that the amount of revenue generated by conference and I don’t see anything changing for a long time…

  • http://twitter.com/NewhamSue Newham Sue

    Just found out this week that I’ve definitely been cleared for what will  be my first ever party conference and, to present the other side to the coin, I’m really excited about having the chance to meet people I’d previously only exchanged opinions with on twitter, along with seeing a load of MPS speak I’d previously only encountered on TV/ in the papers. But yes, a weekend conference would really help. Have to be back for work on the Monday. Did look into the option of getting an early train – but it would mean an extra £70 in transport costs – so unfortunately even my experience of day one of the main conference will be limited by the relatively early departure of the last train to London.

  • http://twitter.com/christof_ff christof_ff

    A lot could be learned from the German Pirates about engaging beyond those with the time & money to attend and/or conventional politicos: http://spon.de/adDWp

  • AlanGiles

     I think one of the problems for all the three main conferences was that they began to get stage managed for the benefit of television (up until a few years ago BBC2 used to take virtually all day live coverage from morning to evening), then TV wanted to truncate the coverage so it was a sort of Andrew Neil Show featuring whichever conference it happened to be that week, so the stage management goes on to allow for the really “important” bits still to get such coverage as there is. I know full coverage is probably going to be on the BBC News 24 or Parliament channels, but I think the parties all think in terms of mainstream (i.e. non-digital box) as most important so, the keynote debates and leaders speeches are tailored for the TV coverage they are going to get.

    I must admit I rarely saw them in the old days when I was working, now there is so much playing to the gallery and the cameras (all parties not just Labour) I just find myself left cold by them. Not only that but “Bargain Hunt” will be on BBC1 at lunchtimes…..

  • aracataca

    I’ve only been once and it was great. However, going to Conference can have unintended consequences such as finding yourself liking, and agreeing with much of what is said by people like James Purnell, mentioning it on here and getting flayed alive for saying so.
    I have absolutely no argument whatsoever against more real democracy at Conference but do we really want to go back to the Party Conferences of the 1980s- killing each other in public and in the full glare of the Tory Press?

  • Chris Cheetham

    I’ve been around even longer than Neil Lawson and can remember sharing getting Gestetner ink everywhere but on the paper! (younger readers can Google it). The key thing is that we all believed we could make a difference and affect policy – might have been wishful thinking – but it was a genuine belief.
    We should encourage lively debate at fringe meetings and not behave like a democratic centralist outfit where the policy is handed down like tablets of stone from on high having been rubber stamped by  a “faceless” group. After all some of us spent a long time fighting Militant to stop the Labour Party turning into exactly that.
    Certainly cheaper and shorter conferences with a sense that the delegates might have some impact would help. But understanding that voters can tell the difference between debate and in-fighting is essential.

  • steven_t_green

    It has just become a money making exercise – starting at £28! Only the affluent can go.

  • telemachus

    Conference is the best publicity machine we have
    Whatever the arguments on the floor, however bad (or good) the speeches, we get a good bounce in the polls

  • Brumanuensis

    I find this obsession with looking ‘presentable’, a bit odd. As one poster here pointed out under your last article, Mark, Labour spent most of 1959 to 1979 in internal turmoil, yet still won four elections and remained in power for 11 of those 20 years. The Tories spent most of 1990 to 1997 kicking lumps out of themselves, yet still won the 1992 election.

    The current reality, after all the stage-managing and message-discipline, is that instead of saying what they think openly, people just leak to the nearest journalist, which is hardly any better. So bring back the open disputes and contentious debates. At our leaders will have to fight for their positions, rather than just patronising us from the lectern.

    • AlanGiles

       That’s a very good point, Brum. I think the public feel patronised if they are expected to believe everybody, regardless of  which party you support, has no disagreements with the leadership. Pretending that everyone agrees about everything is just bogus. To show how phony Conferences have become you only have to look back to the 2003 Conservative Leaders Speech, where the audience were leaping up to give standing ovations and “spontaneous” applause to Duncan-Smith evry few minutes,  just a fortnight before they got rid of him and annointed Michael Howard. From hero to zero in 14 days.

      Airing disagreements is good, not just so the public get a true picture, but for members and supporters to thrash out disagreements in the open.

      For example this year, I dare say those who would wield the knife against Cameron will, for the sake of appearances, clap the living daylights out of their hands when he gets up to address them. Yet everyone knows the right-wing Tories dislike Cameron, just as much as the public are aware that the left and the right of the Labour party don’t exactly love each other.

      Let’s have honesty rather than the awful plastic bogosity that has infected politics for the last few years.

  • http://twitter.com/RF_McCarthy Roger McCarthy

    An annual conference is indeed a fundamentally nineteenth century way of doing things.

    Actually getting representatives from all corners of a country together to debate and decide stuff was a major logistic problem when nothing moved much faster than a steam train and travel was prohibitively expensive – and so we got the model of annual or biennial or whatever conferences, conventions or congresses. 

    However it now it would be perfectly feasible for an NPF- (or dare I say it old fashioned ruling communist party central committee-) sized body to act as a more or less permanent Parliament of Labour with formal meetings at least every quarter and the capacity to debate and decide issues electronically when required.

    But that means actually giving it the real powers to both initiate and mandate policy that conference had before Kinnock and Blair stripped them away.

    And that is always the real argument – in Lenin’s words ‘Kto Kogo?’ – politics is fundamentally about who has the power to do what to whom.

    Either the party membership have the power to set policy through their delegates or representatives and the party’s leader and MPs seek to implement it – or the leader and PLP dictate policy and party members exist just to obey their instructions and cheer them on.

    The latter has always been the Conservative way of doing politics and became the New Labour way during the 1990s.

    So anyone serious about democracy has to address not what’s wrong now and how it might be in an ideal world where we had a tabula rasa – but ask how and why it is that we got here.  

    Only then do we have any real chance of getting somewhere else.

  • Daniel Speight

    It’s OK offering up alternative ways of protecting democracy inside the party, but they have to work, which so far it would be difficult proving.

    Now what we have is top-down centralist control of Labour by its leadership. The only democracy involved is in the election of the leaders. If that’s all that is wanted, then fine, but don’t get upset when it’s compared to Russian or Chinese style communist party ‘democracy’.

    Now the Liberals seem to have managed to keep some party conference democracy and it didn’t stop them ending up in government. In addition I suspect their delegates feel they a real say in party policy.

    On the other hand recent Labour conferences seem stage managed with the leaders and their apparatchiks controlling everything. Maybe you are right Mark, and maybe this is just another sign of the Americanization of British politics, but sometime in the future we may well rue the day we gave up on democracy.

  • JoeDM

    Gestetners!!!!   What a toff.    When I were a lad we ‘ad Banda spirit dupilcators.  Take a wiff of the spirit and you’d be ‘appy for the rest of the day.

    “…wants to see Labour conference “billed as the Forum for Responsible Capitalism?” ”

    How New Labour !!!!!!

  • Guest

    Could learn a lot from the German Pirates about engaging both those who do attend and those who don’t:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-s-pirate-party-seek-to-reinvent-politics-a-829451.html

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  • Celticchickadee

    Hmm here’s a thought. It costs a LOT of money to attend conference. Maybe that’s a factor for lots of us. Reality check.

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